| William Parrish |
My wife (and therefore, my children) and I have for years had this
nutty disagreement as to whether it is best to:
1.) Simply retwist the plastic or paper covered wire around the bag
(to, supposedly, reseal the bread)
or
2.) Hold the open end of the bread bag, spin the sucker, thereby
twisting the loose bread bag material (plastic of some sort?), and
laying the bread bag on top of the loose, twisted end so as to secure
the tightly twisted area.
Please help solve this mystery.
I'm for putting them in a sink full of water to test the difference.
Yeah, I know... Much ado about............
Wil
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| Dave Bell |
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, William Parrish wrote:
> My wife (and therefore, my children) and I have for years had this
> nutty disagreement as to whether it is best to:
>
> 1.) Simply retwist the plastic or paper covered wire around the bag
> (to, supposedly, reseal the bread)
>
> or
>
> 2.) Hold the open end of the bread bag, spin the sucker, thereby
> twisting the loose bread bag material (plastic of some sort?), and
> laying the bread bag on top of the loose, twisted end so as to secure
> the tightly twisted area.
I can't solve the mystery, but I'm with you on this one, and in the basic
controversy within the home. Although, it's my wife that just stuffs the
seal wire or clip back on; the girls simplify the entire process to leavin
the bag standing on the counter, wide open!
> Yeah, I know... Much ado about............
> Wil
Gotta pass the day somehow!
Dave
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| Alex Rast |
at Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:15:58 GMT in
<6d98115f.0408250915.2772889f@posting.google.com>,
wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish) wrote :
>My wife (and therefore, my children) and I have for years had this
>nutty disagreement as to whether it is best to:
>
>1.) Simply retwist the plastic or paper covered wire around the bag
>(to, supposedly, reseal the bread)
>
>or
>
>2.) Hold the open end of the bread bag, spin the sucker, thereby
>twisting the loose bread bag material (plastic of some sort?), and
>laying the bread bag on top of the loose, twisted end so as to secure
>the tightly twisted area.
Neither. IMHO the best is a combination of both. First, spin the bag as per
Method 2. Then, get a twist tie and twist it tightly round the twisted area
of the bag. This prevents untwisting and adds more seal.
Or, better still, don't use the old bag at all. Use a zip-loc bag.
Note that using any plastic bag will accelerate moulding, though. A paper
bag prevents this problem but of course accelerates staling. Thus, it is
best for long-term storage to freeze it, generally in Zip-Locs.
--
Alex Rast
ad.rast.7@nwnotlink.NOSPAM.com
(remove d., .7, not, and .NOSPAM to reply)
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| William Parrish |
Dave Bell <dbell@TheSPAMFREEBells.net> wrote in message news:<Pine.NEB.4.58.0408251108540.3717@shell2.bayarea.net>...
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, William Parrish wrote:
>
> > My wife (and therefore, my children) and I have for years had this
> > nutty disagreement as to whether it is best to:
> >
> > 1.) Simply retwist the plastic or paper covered wire around the bag
> > (to, supposedly, reseal the bread)
> >
> > or
> >
> > 2.) Hold the open end of the bread bag, spin the sucker, thereby
> > twisting the loose bread bag material (plastic of some sort?), and
> > laying the bread bag on top of the loose, twisted end so as to secure
> > the tightly twisted area.
>
> I can't solve the mystery, but I'm with you on this one, and in the basic
> controversy within the home. Although, it's my wife that just stuffs the
> seal wire or clip back on; the girls simplify the entire process to leavin
> the bag standing on the counter, wide open!
>
> > Yeah, I know... Much ado about............
> > Wil
>
> Gotta pass the day somehow!
>
> Dave
I feel exhonerated. : ))
Wil
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| Mike Stith |
Or you can spin the bag a couple of times, then turn the open end
inside-out back over the outside of the front of the loaf, like rolling
up a sleeve.
Alex Rast wrote:
> at Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:15:58 GMT in
> <6d98115f.0408250915.2772889f@posting.google.com>,
> wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish) wrote :
>
>
>>My wife (and therefore, my children) and I have for years had this
>>nutty disagreement as to whether it is best to:
>>
>>1.) Simply retwist the plastic or paper covered wire around the bag
>>(to, supposedly, reseal the bread)
>>
>>or
>>
>>2.) Hold the open end of the bread bag, spin the sucker, thereby
>>twisting the loose bread bag material (plastic of some sort?), and
>>laying the bread bag on top of the loose, twisted end so as to secure
>>the tightly twisted area.
>
>
> Neither. IMHO the best is a combination of both. First, spin the bag as per
> Method 2. Then, get a twist tie and twist it tightly round the twisted area
> of the bag. This prevents untwisting and adds more seal.
>
> Or, better still, don't use the old bag at all. Use a zip-loc bag.
>
> Note that using any plastic bag will accelerate moulding, though. A paper
> bag prevents this problem but of course accelerates staling. Thus, it is
> best for long-term storage to freeze it, generally in Zip-Locs.
>
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| William Parrish |
ad.rast.7@nwnotlink.NOSPAM.com (Alex Rast) wrote in message news:<9550A19E3adrastnwnotlinkcom@216.168.3.44>...
> at Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:15:58 GMT in
> <6d98115f.0408250915.2772889f@posting.google.com>,
> wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish) wrote :
>
> >My wife (and therefore, my children) and I have for years had this
> >nutty disagreement as to whether it is best to:
> >
> >1.) Simply retwist the plastic or paper covered wire around the bag
> >(to, supposedly, reseal the bread)
> >
> >or
> >
> >2.) Hold the open end of the bread bag, spin the sucker, thereby
> >twisting the loose bread bag material (plastic of some sort?), and
> >laying the bread bag on top of the loose, twisted end so as to secure
> >the tightly twisted area.
>
> Neither. IMHO the best is a combination of both. First, spin the bag as per
> Method 2. Then, get a twist tie and twist it tightly round the twisted area
> of the bag. This prevents untwisting and adds more seal.
>
> Or, better still, don't use the old bag at all. Use a zip-loc bag.
>
> Note that using any plastic bag will accelerate moulding, though. A paper
> bag prevents this problem but of course accelerates staling. Thus, it is
> best for long-term storage to freeze it, generally in Zip-Locs.
NO. no. no.
If you simply twist the tie around the 'spun' section, the 'spun'
section will UNspin. You would have to double over the spun section,
THEN twist the tie around it. Don't you see? Try it.
Re. the paper bag and the freezing: We are talking about 4 to 7 days
here, so freezing isn't on the table... so to speak.
[Their going to lock us up, ya know?]
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| William Parrish |
Mike Stith <mike3141@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<bcuXc.36400$_h.8962@bignews3.bellsouth.net>...
> Or you can spin the bag a couple of times, then turn the open end
> inside-out back over the outside of the front of the loaf, like rolling
> up a sleeve.
Yes. That is the more complete method; however, simply laying the
bread on top of the twisted end is just as efficient and takes less
time.
[They really are going to lock us up, you know?]
>
> Alex Rast wrote:
>
> > at Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:15:58 GMT in
> > <6d98115f.0408250915.2772889f@posting.google.com>,
> > wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish) wrote :
> >
> >
> >>My wife (and therefore, my children) and I have for years had this
> >>nutty disagreement as to whether it is best to:
> >>
> >>1.) Simply retwist the plastic or paper covered wire around the bag
> >>(to, supposedly, reseal the bread)
> >>
> >>or
> >>
> >>2.) Hold the open end of the bread bag, spin the sucker, thereby
> >>twisting the loose bread bag material (plastic of some sort?), and
> >>laying the bread bag on top of the loose, twisted end so as to secure
> >>the tightly twisted area.
> >
> >
> > Neither. IMHO the best is a combination of both. First, spin the bag as per
> > Method 2. Then, get a twist tie and twist it tightly round the twisted area
> > of the bag. This prevents untwisting and adds more seal.
> >
> > Or, better still, don't use the old bag at all. Use a zip-loc bag.
> >
> > Note that using any plastic bag will accelerate moulding, though. A paper
> > bag prevents this problem but of course accelerates staling. Thus, it is
> > best for long-term storage to freeze it, generally in Zip-Locs.
> >
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| Eric Jorgensen |
On 27 Aug 2004 08:03:02 -0700
wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish) wrote:
> NO. no. no.
>
> If you simply twist the tie around the 'spun' section, the 'spun'
> section will UNspin. You would have to double over the spun section,
> THEN twist the tie around it. Don't you see? Try it.
*sigh* what you're overlooking here is the fact that mold spores are
going to collect in the bag.
Clearly, you should remove the bag entirely, place it inside another,
paper bag, staple that shut, throw it away, get out a new bag, re-bag the
bread, and then perform the above procedure.
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| graham |
Xref: 127.0.0.1 rec.food.baking:62507
"Eric Jorgensen" <alhaz@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:20040827102520.3e2584bc@wafer...
> On 27 Aug 2004 08:03:02 -0700
> wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish) wrote:
>
>
> > NO. no. no.
> >
> > If you simply twist the tie around the 'spun' section, the 'spun'
> > section will UNspin. You would have to double over the spun section,
> > THEN twist the tie around it. Don't you see? Try it.
>
>
> *sigh* what you're overlooking here is the fact that mold spores are
> going to collect in the bag.
>
> Clearly, you should remove the bag entirely, place it inside another,
> paper bag, staple that shut, throw it away, get out a new bag, re-bag the
> bread, and then perform the above procedure.
Alternatively, you could start worrying about the way to hang rolls of
toilet paper<g>
Graham
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| Dave Bell |
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, graham wrote:
> Alternatively, you could start worrying about the way to hang rolls of
> toilet paper<g>
> Graham
What worry? There *is* only one way...
Dave
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| Dee Randall |
"Alex Rast" <ad.rast.7@nwnotlink.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:9550A19E3adrastnwnotlinkcom@216.168.3.44...
> at Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:15:58 GMT in
> <6d98115f.0408250915.2772889f@posting.google.com>,
> wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish) wrote :
>
> >My wife (and therefore, my children) and I have for years had this
> >nutty disagreement as to whether it is best to:
> >
> >1.) Simply retwist the plastic or paper covered wire around the bag
> >(to, supposedly, reseal the bread)
> >
> >or
> >
> >2.) Hold the open end of the bread bag, spin the sucker, thereby
> >twisting the loose bread bag material (plastic of some sort?), and
> >laying the bread bag on top of the loose, twisted end so as to secure
> >the tightly twisted area.
>
> Neither. IMHO the best is a combination of both. First, spin the bag as
per
> Method 2. Then, get a twist tie and twist it tightly round the twisted
area
> of the bag. This prevents untwisting and adds more seal.
>
Running argument at our house:
My spouse twists the bag (in a wild manly manner!) then puts the tie "ABOVE
the twists! It immediately untwists, of course. I say, why twist? This
makes me nuts! tee hee
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| Alex Rast |
at Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:03:02 GMT in
<6d98115f.0408270703.1eb73526@posting.google.com>,
wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish) wrote :
>ad.rast.7@nwnotlink.NOSPAM.com (Alex Rast) wrote in message
>news:<9550A19E3adrastnwnotlinkcom@216.168.3.44>...
>> at Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:15:58 GMT in
>> <6d98115f.0408250915.2772889f@posting.google.com>,
>> wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish) wrote :
>>
>> >My wife (and therefore, my children) and I have for years had this
>> >nutty disagreement as to whether it is best to:
>> >
>> >1.) Simply retwist the plastic or paper covered wire around the bag
>> >(to, supposedly, reseal the bread)
>> >
>> >or
>> >
>> >2.) Hold the open end of the bread bag, spin the sucker, ...and
>> >laying the bread bag on top of the loose, twisted end ...
>>
>> Neither. IMHO the best is a combination of both. First, spin the bag
>> as per Method 2. Then, get a twist tie and twist it tightly round the
>> twisted area of the bag. This prevents untwisting and adds more seal.
>
>NO. no. no.
>
>If you simply twist the tie around the 'spun' section, the 'spun'
>section will UNspin. You would have to double over the spun section,
>THEN twist the tie around it. Don't you see? Try it.
{Really, really pedantic response}
Only if you tie loosely, or use a very slippery twist-tie (e.g. a plastic
one). As I said, twist it *tightly*. You need really to be sure it's on
there well. Ideally, the edges of the tie will seat into the folds of the
twist, supplying a third locking/sealing mechanism. In any case, IME, with
a tightly twisted tie, the twist unspins a LOT less than when you lay the
bag over the open end.
>Re. the paper bag and the freezing: We are talking about 4 to 7 days
>here, so freezing isn't on the table... so to speak.
>
4-7 days? Freezing is then easily the way to go. In bread terms, that's
pretty "long-term". You can then take the daily bread you need out of the
bag an hour or so before using it. BTW, if you're toasting it, no need to
defrost. Simply put in the toaster at a slightly darker setting.
--
Alex Rast
ad.rast.7@nwnotlink.NOSPAM.com
(remove d., .7, not, and .NOSPAM to reply)
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| William Parrish |
Eric Jorgensen <alhaz@xmission.com> wrote in message news:<20040827102520.3e2584bc@wafer>...
> On 27 Aug 2004 08:03:02 -0700
> wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish) wrote:
>
>
> > NO. no. no.
> >
> > If you simply twist the tie around the 'spun' section, the 'spun'
> > section will UNspin. You would have to double over the spun section,
> > THEN twist the tie around it. Don't you see? Try it.
>
>
> *sigh* what you're overlooking here is the fact that mold spores are
> going to collect in the bag.
>
> Clearly, you should remove the bag entirely, place it inside another,
> paper bag, staple that shut, throw it away, get out a new bag, re-bag the
> bread, and then perform the above procedure.
OK. I must have gotten something wrong. Because after I threw away the bag...
AS YOU CLEARLY INSTRUCTED, ERIC, I then remembered the bread was IN the bag.
So, anyhow, that just don't work... or it was a trick.
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| William Parrish |
"graham" <stratman@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<F1OXc.223364$M95.82128@pd7tw1no>...
> "Eric Jorgensen" <alhaz@xmission.com> wrote in message
> news:20040827102520.3e2584bc@wafer...
> > On 27 Aug 2004 08:03:02 -0700
> > wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish) wrote:
> >
> >
> > > NO. no. no.
> > >
> > > If you simply twist the tie around the 'spun' section, the 'spun'
> > > section will UNspin. You would have to double over the spun section,
> > > THEN twist the tie around it. Don't you see? Try it.
> >
> >
> > *sigh* what you're overlooking here is the fact that mold spores are
> > going to collect in the bag.
> >
> > Clearly, you should remove the bag entirely, place it inside another,
> > paper bag, staple that shut, throw it away, get out a new bag, re-bag the
> > bread, and then perform the above procedure.
>
> Alternatively, you could start worrying about the way to hang rolls of
> toilet paper<g>
> Graham
Toilet paper? We use bread.
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| graham |
"William Parrish" <wparrish@gmipublishing.com> wrote in message
news:6d98115f.0408271944.4f6d94ec@posting.google.com...
> "graham" <stratman@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:<F1OXc.223364$M95.82128@pd7tw1no>...
> > "Eric Jorgensen" <alhaz@xmission.com> wrote in message
> > news:20040827102520.3e2584bc@wafer...
> > > On 27 Aug 2004 08:03:02 -0700
> > > wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish) wrote:
> > >
>> > >
> > > Clearly, you should remove the bag entirely, place it inside
another,
> > > paper bag, staple that shut, throw it away, get out a new bag, re-bag
the
> > > bread, and then perform the above procedure.
> >
> > Alternatively, you could start worrying about the way to hang rolls of
> > toilet paper<g>
> > Graham
>
>
> Toilet paper? We use bread.
So that's why it's called "Wonder Bread" <g>
Graham
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| William Parrish |
Dave Bell <dbell@TheSPAMFREEBells.net> wrote in message news:<Pine.NEB.4.58.0408271458080.24120@shell2.bayarea.net>...
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, graham wrote:
>
> > Alternatively, you could start worrying about the way to hang rolls of
> > toilet paper<g>
> > Graham
>
> What worry? There *is* only one way...
>
> Dave
OK, Dave and Graham:
You both are clearly getting very close to being out of bounds here, or
in I'netesse, OTS.
We had a very intelligent conversation going here and were getting very
close to resolving one of the major problems with marriage and then you
two obviously single dudes just jump in and spoil it all.
Now it's all ruined.
****!!!!
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| Dave Bell |
William Parrish wrote:
> OK, Dave and Graham:
> You both are clearly getting very close to being out of bounds here, or
> in I'netesse, OTS.
> We had a very intelligent conversation going here and were getting very
> close to resolving one of the major problems with marriage and then you
> two obviously single dudes just jump in and spoil it all.
> Now it's all ruined.
> ****!!!!
Escuuuuse me?!? You should check that one with my wife and 4 kids!
(OK, only the three girls are still at home, but it does leave me
seriously outnumbered!)
Dave
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| Alan Moorman@visi.com |
On 27 Aug 2004 08:06:27 -0700, wparrish@gmipublishing.com
(William Parrish) wrote:
>Mike Stith <mike3141@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<bcuXc.36400$_h.8962@bignews3.bellsouth.net>...
>> Or you can spin the bag a couple of times, then turn the open end
>> inside-out back over the outside of the front of the loaf, like rolling
>> up a sleeve.
>
>Yes. That is the more complete method; however, simply laying the
>bread on top of the twisted end is just as efficient and takes less
>time.
>
Yay! Someone with some sense!!!!
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| The Old Bear |
wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish) writes:
>From: wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish)
>Newsgroups: rec.food.baking
>Subject: Keeping Bread in the drawer
>Date: 25 Aug 2004 10:15:58 -0700
>
>My wife (and therefore, my children) and I have for years had this
>nutty disagreement as to whether it is best to:
>
>1.) Simply retwist the plastic or paper covered wire . . . or
>
>2.) Hold the open end of the bread bag, spin the sucker, . . . and
>laying the bread bag on top of the loose, twisted end
We use plastic clips which we keep in the bread box. They sell
them at the supermarket and most kitchenware stores for a nominal
price. They last for years. Usually get lost (no, I don't know
how) before they even start to wear out.
Like this:
http://www.westons.com/acatalog/Onl..._Clips_592.html
They don't get all frayed like the paper-over-wire twist ties and their
colorful enough to be obvious if you forget to put one back on and leave it
on the countertop.
Also, if you are troubled by mold forming on your bread, you can obtain some
radioactive material from your favorite covert source and leave it in your
bread box or drawer. Also helpful for finding the bread in the dark when
you go into the kitchen for that late-night snack.
Cheers,
The Old Bear
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| William Parrish |
"Dee Randall" <deedoveyatshenteldotnet> wrote in message news:<10ivgq9ov1hos4d@corp.supernews.com>...
> "Alex Rast" <ad.rast.7@nwnotlink.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:9550A19E3adrastnwnotlinkcom@216.168.3.44...
> > at Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:15:58 GMT in
> > <6d98115f.0408250915.2772889f@posting.google.com>,
> > wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish) wrote :
> >
> > >My wife (and therefore, my children) and I have for years had this
> > >nutty disagreement as to whether it is best to:
> > >
> > >1.) Simply retwist the plastic or paper covered wire around the bag
> > >(to, supposedly, reseal the bread)
> > >
> > >or
> > >
> > >2.) Hold the open end of the bread bag, spin the sucker, thereby
> > >twisting the loose bread bag material (plastic of some sort?), and
> > >laying the bread bag on top of the loose, twisted end so as to secure
> > >the tightly twisted area.
> >
> > Neither. IMHO the best is a combination of both. First, spin the bag as
> per
> > Method 2. Then, get a twist tie and twist it tightly round the twisted
> area
> > of the bag. This prevents untwisting and adds more seal.
> >
> Running argument at our house:
> My spouse twists the bag (in a wild manly manner!) then puts the tie "ABOVE
> the twists! It immediately untwists, of course. I say, why twist? This
> makes me nuts! tee hee
Yes, that is lame. However, even if the tie is placed on or in the
twist the twist will UNtwist. The tie does not keep that from
happening. Don't you see?
You would have to twist the end in a section of several inches, bend
it and secure the 'bend' with the twist in order to keep the twist in
the end.
Probably too complicated for a woman. TEE HEE
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| William Parrish |
oldbear@arctos.not-a-dot-in-this-spot.com (The Old Bear) wrote in message news:<oldbear.10526.052623C5@arctos.not-a-dot-in-this-spot.com>...
> wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish) writes:
>
> >From: wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish)
> >Newsgroups: rec.food.baking
> >Subject: Keeping Bread in the drawer
> >Date: 25 Aug 2004 10:15:58 -0700
> >
> >My wife (and therefore, my children) and I have for years had this
> >nutty disagreement as to whether it is best to:
> >
> >1.) Simply retwist the plastic or paper covered wire . . . or
> >
> >2.) Hold the open end of the bread bag, spin the sucker, . . . and
> >laying the bread bag on top of the loose, twisted end
>
>
> We use plastic clips which we keep in the bread box. They sell
> them at the supermarket and most kitchenware stores for a nominal
> price. They last for years. Usually get lost (no, I don't know
> how) before they even start to wear out.
>
> Like this:
>
> http://www.westons.com/acatalog/Onl..._Clips_592.html
>
>
> They don't get all frayed like the paper-over-wire twist ties and their
> colorful enough to be obvious if you forget to put one back on and leave it
> on the countertop.
>
> Also, if you are troubled by mold forming on your bread, you can obtain some
> radioactive material from your favorite covert source and leave it in your
> bread box or drawer. Also helpful for finding the bread in the dark when
> you go into the kitchen for that late-night snack.
>
> Cheers,
> The Old Bear
OK. I am going to submit a request for a $10 million federal study
grant to study what is obviously a huge problem. I am certain I can
enlist the assistance of a rocket scientist friend, who is director of
Ion Beam Modification and Analysis at Noth TX State. I will keep you
guys posted on the disbursement of funds.
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| Alan Moorman@visi.com |
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:07:20 -0500,
oldbear@arctos.not-a-dot-in-this-spot.com (The Old Bear)
wrote:
>wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish) writes:
>
>>From: wparrish@gmipublishing.com (William Parrish)
>>Newsgroups: rec.food.baking
>>Subject: Keeping Bread in the drawer
>>Date: 25 Aug 2004 10:15:58 -0700
>>
>>My wife (and therefore, my children) and I have for years had this
>>nutty disagreement as to whether it is best to:
>>
>>1.) Simply retwist the plastic or paper covered wire . . . or
>>
>>2.) Hold the open end of the bread bag, spin the sucker, . . . and
>>laying the bread bag on top of the loose, twisted end
>
>
>We use plastic clips which we keep in the bread box. They sell
>them at the supermarket and most kitchenware stores for a nominal
>price. They last for years. Usually get lost (no, I don't know
>how) before they even start to wear out.
>
<snip>
>Cheers,
>The Old Bear
>
>
That's just too much "stuff" to buy and deal with, when (as
in #2 above) you only need to spin the thing to twist the
bag shut, and then put that spun end under the bag when you
set it down in the box or the refrigerator. Simple. No
extra plastic used (think "oil", think "gasoline prices
going up").
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