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Lia Clifton
I just recently became a vegetarian. I really want to keep up the
vegetarian diet and lifestyle. I am wondering how those vegetarians and
vegans stick with their eating habits. What tools do you use to keep
eating vegan? Did you notice any change in your body? Positive or
negative or mental state changes?

Please reply with any helpful insight you could provide.
Thanks, lia
Steve
Lia Clifton wrote:
> I just recently became a vegetarian. I really want to keep up the
> vegetarian diet and lifestyle. I am wondering how those vegetarians and
> vegans stick with their eating habits. What tools do you use to keep
> eating vegan? Did you notice any change in your body? Positive or
> negative or mental state changes?
>
> Please reply with any helpful insight you could provide.
> Thanks, lia


This is the best vegan starter kit I have found ( the information
applies to vegetarians too ):

http://www.veganoutreach.org/starterpack/

After that you might want to check out this site for being health while
being a vegan ( again, same info applies to vegetarians ):

http://www.veganhealth.org

Lastly:
Be A Healthy Vegan Or Vegetarian
http://www.geocities.com/beforewisd...healthyVeg.html


Steve




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Rubystars

"Lia Clifton" <lclifton@sonoma.edu> wrote in message
news:lclifton-72F967.14411402092004@okeanos.csu.net...
> I just recently became a vegetarian. I really want to keep up the
> vegetarian diet and lifestyle. I am wondering how those vegetarians and
> vegans stick with their eating habits. What tools do you use to keep
> eating vegan? Did you notice any change in your body? Positive or
> negative or mental state changes?
>
> Please reply with any helpful insight you could provide.
> Thanks, lia


When I ate a vegetarian diet I noticed that I was hungry more often because
the food wasn't as "Bulky" as meat.

I had a really positive mental state change at first, I felt like I could
perceive things better, see more clearly, etc. It didn't last long though.

Make sure you talk to a doctor about how to do it right.

There are a lot more ex-vegetarians than vegetarians. I quit for two main
reasons. One was convenience. I like to be able to go out with my family to
normal restaurants and eat what they're eating. Secondly, I wasn't feeling
all that great anymore on it. The good feelings the diet caused at the
beginning faded out and I felt sluggish.

I didn't follow a doctor's eating plan so that may have been part of the
problem.

I went back on a standard diet and felt much better.

-Rubystars


student
In article <z6ZZc.14914$hb3.8576@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>,
"Rubystars" <windstorm@swbell.net> wrote:

> "Lia Clifton" <lclifton@sonoma.edu> wrote in message
> news:lclifton-72F967.14411402092004@okeanos.csu.net...
> > I just recently became a vegetarian. I really want to keep up the
> > vegetarian diet and lifestyle. I am wondering how those vegetarians and
> > vegans stick with their eating habits. What tools do you use to keep
> > eating vegan? Did you notice any change in your body? Positive or
> > negative or mental state changes?
> >
> > Please reply with any helpful insight you could provide.
> > Thanks, lia

>
> When I ate a vegetarian diet I noticed that I was hungry more often because
> the food wasn't as "Bulky" as meat.
>
> I had a really positive mental state change at first, I felt like I could
> perceive things better, see more clearly, etc. It didn't last long though.
>
> Make sure you talk to a doctor about how to do it right.
>
> There are a lot more ex-vegetarians than vegetarians. I quit for two main
> reasons. One was convenience. I like to be able to go out with my family to
> normal restaurants and eat what they're eating. Secondly, I wasn't feeling
> all that great anymore on it. The good feelings the diet caused at the
> beginning faded out and I felt sluggish.
>
> I didn't follow a doctor's eating plan so that may have been part of the
> problem.
>
> I went back on a standard diet and felt much better.
>
> -Rubystars


Thanks for your response. I was wondering what you attribute the
positive mental state change early on in the eating change to? How long
after you began eating a vegetarian diet did your mental and physical
(sluggish) feeling change? a week? two weeks? days?

I really understand where you are coming from with the convenience of
ordering out. It is hard to find vegetarian meals at a variety of
restaurants that are actually really good.

Did you try to become a vegetarian on your own? or did you do try with
a friend or family member?

Thanks for the encouragement to see a doctor to get he low down on what
I should be eating to make sure I get the proper portions and nutrients.

Thanks again,
Lia
student
In article <ch86ae121h2@enews2.newsguy.com>,
Steve <nospam@please.reply.to.group.thanks.com> wrote:

> Lia Clifton wrote:
> > I just recently became a vegetarian. I really want to keep up the
> > vegetarian diet and lifestyle. I am wondering how those vegetarians and
> > vegans stick with their eating habits. What tools do you use to keep
> > eating vegan? Did you notice any change in your body? Positive or
> > negative or mental state changes?
> >
> > Please reply with any helpful insight you could provide.
> > Thanks, lia

>
> This is the best vegan starter kit I have found ( the information
> applies to vegetarians too ):
>
> http://www.veganoutreach.org/starterpack/
>
> After that you might want to check out this site for being health while
> being a vegan ( again, same info applies to vegetarians ):
>
> http://www.veganhealth.org
>
> Lastly:
> Be A Healthy Vegan Or Vegetarian
> http://www.geocities.com/beforewisd...healthyVeg.html
>
>
> Steve


Hi Steve,
thanks for your help. I found all of these sites to be extremely
helpful. How long have you been a vegan or vegetarian?
Lia
Rubystars

"student" <student@sonoma.edu> wrote in message
<snip>
> Thanks for your response.


You're welcome.

>I was wondering what you attribute the
> positive mental state change early on in the eating change to?


I'm not sure, but I know it didn't last.

> How long
> after you began eating a vegetarian diet did your mental and physical
> (sluggish) feeling change? a week? two weeks? days?


About 2 months.

> I really understand where you are coming from with the convenience of
> ordering out. It is hard to find vegetarian meals at a variety of
> restaurants that are actually really good.


Yeah, there aren't vegetarian options at a lot of restaurants, and if there
are, there's no guarantee they're actually vegetarian.

Examples: "Vegetable soup" on a vegetarian menu with chicken broth,
"Vegetarian food" with gelatin.

Of course, I live in Texas, so your experience may be different depending on
where you live.

> Did you try to become a vegetarian on your own? or did you do try with
> a friend or family member?


I just did it on my own.

> Thanks for the encouragement to see a doctor to get he low down on what
> I should be eating to make sure I get the proper portions and nutrients.


It's very important to do that if you want to succeed. Good luck! :)

-Rubystars


Steve
student <student@sonoma.edu> wrote

> > http://www.veganoutreach.org/starterpack/
> > http://www.veganhealth.org
> > http://www.geocities.com/beforewisd...healthyVeg.html

> Hi Steve,
> thanks for your help. I found all of these sites to be extremely
> helpful. How long have you been a vegan or vegetarian?


26 years vegetarian, about 14 years vegan.

I'm glad the sites helped.
Steve
student <student@sonoma.edu> wrote

> > http://www.veganoutreach.org/starterpack/
> > http://www.veganhealth.org
> > http://www.geocities.com/beforewisd...healthyVeg.html

> Hi Steve,
> thanks for your help. I found all of these sites to be extremely
> helpful. How long have you been a vegan or vegetarian?


26 years vegetarian, about 14 years vegan.

I'm glad the sites helped.
dh_ld@nomail.com
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:41:14 -0700, Lia Clifton <lclifton@sonoma.edu> wrote:

>I just recently became a vegetarian. I really want to keep up the
>vegetarian diet and lifestyle. I am wondering how those vegetarians and
>vegans stick with their eating habits. What tools do you use to keep
>eating vegan? Did you notice any change in your body? Positive or
>negative or mental state changes?
>
>Please reply with any helpful insight you could provide.
>Thanks, lia


· Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
What they try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following in order to be successful:
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Tires, Surgical sutures, Matches, Soaps, Photographic film,
Cosmetics, Shaving cream, Paints, Candles, Crayon/Chalk,
Toothpaste, Deodorants, Mouthwash, Paper, Upholstery,
Floor waxes, Glass, Water Filters, Rubber, Fertilizer,
Antifreeze

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Ceramics, Insecticides, Insulation, Linoleum, Plastic,
Textiles, Blood factors, Collagen, Heparin, Insulin,
Pancreatin, Thrombin, Vasopressin, Vitamin B-12, Asphalt,
auto and jet lubricants, outboard engine oil, high-performance
greases, brake fluid

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Emery Boards and Cloth, Adhesive Tape, Laminated Wood Products,
Plywood and Paneling, Wallpaper and Wallpaper Paste, Cellophane
Wrap and Tape, Adhesive Tape, Abrasives, Bone Charcoal for High
Grade Steel, Steel Ball Bearings

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The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
slaughters, and the animals live and die in it as they do
in any other habitat. They also depend on it for their
lives like the animals in any other habitat. If people
consume animal products from animals they think are
raised in decent ways, they will be promoting life for
more such animals in the future.
From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat. From a grass
raised dairy cow people get thousands of servings of dairy
products. Due to the influence of farm machinery, and *icides,
and in the case of rice the flooding and draining of fields,
one serving of soy or rice based product is likely to involve
more animal deaths than hundreds of servings derived from grass
raised cattle. Grass raised cattle products contribute to less
wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and decent lives for
cattle. ·


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