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| Dale Williams |
Was in a nearby town recently, stopped in a shop to see if they had a good GV
for that night. His grüner choices were good and familiar to me, but prices
weren't good enough. But bought a couple other things on owner's rec (I often
do in shops I don't know well, to see what I think of his/her suggestions).
Seeing I liked Austrian, he suggested the 1999 Vineyards of Pannonia Pinot
Gris. Select Harvest Dry Auslese Trocken (a bit redundant, huh?). I open
tonight. Let's see- hmm, not THAT trocken, can detect a bit of RS. Seems to
have a fair amount of body/alcohol. Somewhat oxidized note, flat on finish.
Different, but not that impressive. Michael or someone, can you help? Is this a
co-op? Where is Pannonia?
Dale
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| Cwdjrx _ |
Here is what I found on Google:
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"Vineyards of Pannonia" is based in the renown Lake Neusiedl wine region
of Austria and derives its name from the ancient Roman province of
"Pannonia" founded by emperor Augustus in 9 B.C.
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The page with the above had a link to www.pannonia.com . The link says
the domain is for sale since the company owning it fell on hard times.
The Lake Neusiedl region produces a wide varitey of various qualities of
wine including very sweet ones. It sounds as if the one you have is a
brand name. Pannoia also is the brand name for a decanter. Perhaps M.
Pronay can tell you more when he is up and about. It is late night still
in Austria as I write.
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| Robert Ruzitschka |
Dale Williams wrote in
news:20040809213428.11452.00002054@mb-m23.aol.com:
> know well, to see what I think of his/her suggestions). Seeing I
> liked Austrian, he suggested the 1999 Vineyards of Pannonia
> Pinot Gris.
Hi Dale!
I have never heard of that producer. But as Cwdjrx_ wrote, the wine
should come from Burgenland, probably from the Neusiedlersee area.
> Different, but not that
> impressive. Michael or someone, can you help? Is this a co-op?
> Where is Pannonia? Dale
There is a group of vintners that created the brand "Pannonische
Weingärtner Neusiedlersee". This sounds quite similar to Vineyards
of Pannonia.
http://www.golserwein.at/english/golswein_e.htm
But as you can see they don't have a Pinot Grigio, so it is
probably something different.
But based on your tasting note it doesn't seem to justify a lot of
effort to find out what's up with that winery.
> Dale Williams
> Drop "damnspam" to reply
Regards, Robert
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| Michael Pronay |
dwmidnt@aol.comdamnspam (Dale Williams) wrote:
> 1999 Vineyards of Pannonia Pinot Gris. Select Harvest Dry
> Auslese Trocken (a bit redundant, huh?).
Redundant passibly, but "Audlese trocken" is the key. Sugar
content of the must had to be a minimum of 21 °KMW (= ^Babo) or
105°Oechsle or 24.7 Brix. "Trocken" permits a RS of up to 9 g/l
(=0.9%).
As to the procuder: I have absolutely no idea. There has never
been a bottling under this name in Austria. It's an export label,
but I have no idea who's behind. It's most certainly comes from
norther Burgenland, probably from the wine growing region
Neusiedlersee. It might be a cooperative or négociant bottling.
Maybe you could take a very close look at the label and copy
anything you might find. I might be able to retrieve the producer
from the Staaliche Prüfnummer, although I cannot guarantee.
Anyhow, even Robert's suggestion that they might be the
"Pannonische Weingärten Neusiedlersee" ("Pannonic Vineyards
Neusiedlersee") may be right or wrong, but on their website they
don't give a single name of someone responsable - which normally
would make ring my alarm bells.
M.
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| Dale Williams |
Hmm, under a distributor sticker I found a little more:
must wt. 22.5 Brix, RS 6.4 g/l Alcohol 14.6%, Acidity 5.5 g/l
Pannonia.com, blessed gardens of Pannonia, Lake Neusiedl
From what Michael said, 22.5 wouldn't be Auslese. But , also, 22.5 couldn't
make 14.6% abv even if totally dry, would it?
I'm even more confsed. Doesn't really matter, I'm not buying more!
Dale
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| Michael Pronay |
dwmidnt@aol.comdamnspam (Dale Williams) wrote:
> Hmm, under a distributor sticker I found a little more:
> must wt. 22.5 Brix, RS 6.4 g/l Alcohol 14.6%, Acidity 5.5 g/l
> Pannonia.com,
pannonia.com seems to have gone out of (internet) business.
> blessed gardens of Pannonia, Lake Neusiedl
> From what Michael said, 22.5 wouldn't be Auslese. But , also,
> 22.5 couldn't make 14.6% abv even if totally dry, would it?
22.5 is certainly a typo (for 25.2 probably). According to my table,
22.5 makes 12.6 alcohol, fermented dry, of course.
No Prüfnummer available? Maybe hidden as a lot number?
M.
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| enoavidh |
dwmidnt@aol.comdamnspam (Dale Williams) wrote in
news:20040809213428.11452.00002054@mb-m23.aol.com:
> Was in a nearby town recently, stopped in a shop to see if they had a
> good GV for that night. His grüner choices were good and familiar to
> me, but prices weren't good enough. But bought a couple other things
> on owner's rec (I often do in shops I don't know well, to see what I
> think of his/her suggestions). Seeing I liked Austrian, he suggested
> the 1999 Vineyards of Pannonia Pinot Gris. Select Harvest Dry Auslese
> Trocken (a bit redundant, huh?). I open tonight. Let's see- hmm, not
> THAT trocken, can detect a bit of RS. Seems to have a fair amount of
> body/alcohol. Somewhat oxidized note, flat on finish. Different, but
> not that impressive. Michael or someone, can you help? Is this a
> co-op? Where is Pannonia? Dale
>
> Dale Williams
> Drop "damnspam" to reply
Try this:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010517...w.pannonia.com/
No mention of Pinot Gris, though...
d:D
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| Dale Williams |
>No Prüfnummer available? Maybe hidden as a lot number?
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No, no numbers on bottle at all. I'll chalk this one up to (slightly confused)
experience, not a wine I'm eager to revisit.
Dale
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| Michael Pronay |
dwmidnt@aol.comdamnspam (Dale Williams) wrote:
>>No Prüfnummer available? Maybe hidden as a lot number?
> No, no numbers on bottle at all.
That's 100 percent illegal, of course (although rather sloppy than
knowingly misleading). I wouldn't touch any bottle from this
producer.
M.
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