| Michael Bartlett |
Hello folks!
Just returned from two weeks in Malaysia - had an awesome time! The one
night I decided to have some international food, I discovered Taylor's St.
Andrew's Shiraz. I believe it retails around £22 in the UK. I found it to be
just marvelous! Everything one would expect from a Shiraz, plus more (great
hints of vanilla, cigar, chocolate and intense berries) Also, it didn't have
as full a body as many Shiraz's it's age (I had the '99) which was
pleasantly suprising.
Here's a bit of info from their web site (of the '98) for more info...
http://www.taylorswines.com.au/ourW...s.cfm?wine=7579
On a side note. After arriving and being in London for 2 days, I was flown
off to San Fran for a business trip. Owing to short-notice I can only fly
out on Sunday - so I have Saturday to spend in California. Last time I was
here it was winter so rather than doing the wine-thing I did the
snowboard-thing. This time I'd love to get out a spend a day in the sun on
the wine farms. Can anyone recommend some flagship estates or a good little
day trip of wine farms I could enjoy out here. I'd be looking for Cab/Shiraz
and Sauv Blanc ish wines - certainly not Zin!
Cheers
Michael
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| Mat |
Michael Bartlett wrote:
> Hello folks!
>
> Just returned from two weeks in Malaysia - had an awesome time! The one
> night I decided to have some international food, I discovered Taylor's St.
> Andrew's Shiraz. I believe it retails around £22 in the UK. I found it to be
> just marvelous! Everything one would expect from a Shiraz, plus more (great
> hints of vanilla, cigar, chocolate and intense berries) Also, it didn't have
> as full a body as many Shiraz's it's age (I had the '99) which was
> pleasantly suprising.
>
> Here's a bit of info from their web site (of the '98) for more info...
>
> http://www.taylorswines.com.au/ourW...s.cfm?wine=7579
>
> On a side note. After arriving and being in London for 2 days, I was flown
> off to San Fran for a business trip. Owing to short-notice I can only fly
> out on Sunday - so I have Saturday to spend in California. Last time I was
> here it was winter so rather than doing the wine-thing I did the
> snowboard-thing. This time I'd love to get out a spend a day in the sun on
> the wine farms. Can anyone recommend some flagship estates or a good little
> day trip of wine farms I could enjoy out here. I'd be looking for Cab/Shiraz
> and Sauv Blanc ish wines - certainly not Zin!
>
> Cheers
> Michael
>
>
>
Hello,
Yes Taylor's has a good reputation amongst the slightly lower rent of
us. Usually quite quaffable and goes down well with the crowds. The
bottles are quite attractive too, which despite what anyone says I find
important when enjoying wine.
http://www.taylorswines.com.au/ourWinesTaylors.cfm
The red's in the Taylor's Taylor's range are usually quite pleasant in
general (I'm not that much of a white drinker usually, so not too sure
about the whites), and retail for about $13AU if you have a Dan Murphy's
handy; (sorry Swooper :-\, they *do* have pretty bad service tho);
danmurphy.com.au ; (i.e.: you live in Oz [I've only just recently
appreciated the humour in using Oz as shorthand for Australia, given the
US TV series as well as our history :-))] ).
As for California, I was there about 10 years ago with the parents, who
hadn't developed a taste for wine (nor had I). So instead of wineries we
did Disneyland and Tijuana. Perhaps one day I will get back there.
Mat.
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| st.helier |
"Mat" wrote..........
> Yes Taylor's has a good reputation amongst the slightly lower rent of
> us. Usually quite quaffable and goes down well with the crowds. The
> bottles are quite attractive too, which despite what anyone says I find
> important when enjoying wine.
Hi Mat - actually, I have always regarded highly the "standard" Taylors
Shiraz as excellent value for money.
I am always will to try anything new, but my favourite everyday Aussie
Shirazes would be Taylors (Clare Valley); Peter Lehmann (Barossa) and both
the Wynn's and Penfolds 128 out of Coonawarra.
But the St.Andrew's range is something entirely different - very serious
wine, aimed at the premium end of the market.
The St.Andrew's Shiraz I rate right up there with Jim Barry's "Armagh";
Penfolds "St.Henri"; The Eileen Hardy; Lehmann "Stonewell" or Rosemount
"Balmoral" - and knocking on the door of Henscke "Hill of Grace"
I would put the St.Andrew's Cabernet Sauvignon on a par with the Penfold's
Bin 707 as the best Aussie C/S (IMNSHO of course!!)
--
st.helier
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| Mat |
st.helier wrote:
> "Mat" wrote..........
>
>
>>Yes Taylor's has a good reputation amongst the slightly lower rent of
>>us. Usually quite quaffable and goes down well with the crowds. The
>>bottles are quite attractive too, which despite what anyone says I find
>>important when enjoying wine.
>
>
>
> Hi Mat - actually, I have always regarded highly the "standard" Taylors
> Shiraz as excellent value for money.
>
> I am always will to try anything new, but my favourite everyday Aussie
> Shirazes would be Taylors (Clare Valley); Peter Lehmann (Barossa) and both
> the Wynn's and Penfolds 128 out of Coonawarra.
>
> But the St.Andrew's range is something entirely different - very serious
> wine, aimed at the premium end of the market.
>
> The St.Andrew's Shiraz I rate right up there with Jim Barry's "Armagh";
> Penfolds "St.Henri"; The Eileen Hardy; Lehmann "Stonewell" or Rosemount
> "Balmoral" - and knocking on the door of Henscke "Hill of Grace"
>
> I would put the St.Andrew's Cabernet Sauvignon on a par with the Penfold's
> Bin 707 as the best Aussie C/S (IMNSHO of course!!)
>
> --
>
> st.helier
>
>
>
Hello over in NZ!
How goes it? Hope to make it to our lovely brother country sometime in
the near future, I hear it is fantastic.
Yes, they are quite good value, Safeway has them on for $12.90AU (shiraz
I think), [the cab sav is also excellent], so will be even cheaper at
Dan's.
As well coincidentally the Wynn's shiraz (always excellent) same price.
I didn't like the Peter Lehmann shiraz, I cannot recall the year, late
90's, early 00's if I recall. Had quite a hot finish, which I dislike.
Yeah I gathered by the 22 pound price (be roughly $50AU) that it was on
the slightly higher end. I have a graduation dinner soon and was
considering the St. Henri or a couple of bottles around that range,
mid-late 90's cellar release tho, given it is to be drunk soon.
I keep buying the old man "keepers" for special events, like Rosemount
Show Reserve and the like, you know, age 10+ years, and then he says "I
didn't think much of that wine you got me" a week later!
If you like buying around that price range for a cheapie (I gather you
have expensive tastes) then I would recommend the De Bortoli Deen Vat 9
cab sav, which is usually quite tasty, and around $10-12AU IIRC. No one
I know has disliked it, but I associate with a less discerning crowd. ;-)
Or of course the yellowtail shiraz which is probably a little too
commercial for most ppl, but still quite quaffable as a casual. And
under $10AU for the budget conscious.
Well that concludes my cheapie report for today!
Mat.
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| Camilla Krogstad |
"Mat" <Ask@me> wrote in message:
>
> I keep buying the old man "keepers" for special events, like Rosemount
> Show Reserve and the like, you know, age 10+ years, and then he says "I
> didn't think much of that wine you got me" a week later!
>
Just a short, short comment... Actually, you should be happy, at least he
drinks the wine! I keep buying my pa nice wine to drink now (he doesn't
really have a proper place to store wine - yet), and he always claims that
he "can't drink that kind of wine without a proper reason" - like a very
special event. And I keep telling him that if you have a really nice wine, a
perfectly normal Tuesday (or any other six days of the week) will do. If you
keep it for your special event, you'll be to busy experiencing the event to
really appreciate the wine. On the other hand, on any other day, a special
wine will make the entire day memorable...
C:
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| Mat |
Michael Bartlett wrote:
> Hello folks!
>
> Just returned from two weeks in Malaysia - had an awesome time! The one
> night I decided to have some international food, I discovered Taylor's St.
> Andrew's Shiraz. I believe it retails around £22 in the UK. I found it to be
> just marvelous! Everything one would expect from a Shiraz, plus more (great
> hints of vanilla, cigar, chocolate and intense berries) Also, it didn't have
> as full a body as many Shiraz's it's age (I had the '99) which was
> pleasantly suprising.
>
> Here's a bit of info from their web site (of the '98) for more info...
>
> http://www.taylorswines.com.au/ourW...s.cfm?wine=7579
>
> On a side note. After arriving and being in London for 2 days, I was flown
> off to San Fran for a business trip. Owing to short-notice I can only fly
> out on Sunday - so I have Saturday to spend in California. Last time I was
> here it was winter so rather than doing the wine-thing I did the
> snowboard-thing. This time I'd love to get out a spend a day in the sun on
> the wine farms. Can anyone recommend some flagship estates or a good little
> day trip of wine farms I could enjoy out here. I'd be looking for Cab/Shiraz
> and Sauv Blanc ish wines - certainly not Zin!
>
> Cheers
> Michael
>
>
>
This is from Halliday (2003 edition).
Taylors St Andrews Shiraz
1999: Medium red-purple; dark berry, spice and sweet oak aromas lead
into a palate with excellent richness and concentration, basically at
the savoury end of the spectrum. I am far from convinced that this
represents the same value as the varietal Shiraz (**I assume he means
the entry level Taylor's shiraz**), but there is no denying it is a good
wine.
rating: 91
best drinking: 2004-2011
best vintages: 98, 99
The '98 got 96 points. rrp $50 (am I good or what?) ;-)
The Taylor's shirzaz 2001 got a 90, 2000 an 87, at $15 rrp.
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| st.helier |
"Camilla Krogstad" wrote in message .....
> Actually, you should be happy, at least he drinks the wine!
> I keep buying my pa nice wine to drink now (he doesn't
> really have a proper place to store wine - yet), and he always
> claims that he "can't drink that kind of wine without a proper
> reason" - like a very special event.
> And I keep telling him that if you have a really nice wine, a
> perfectly normal Tuesday (or any other six days of the week) will do.
> If you keep it for your special event, you'll be to busy experiencing
> the event to really appreciate the wine.
Hi Camilla
(and if I am not mistaken, welcome - another new face from Norway)
I know exactly what you mean.
Many years ago, like in the mid 60's - I returned from Australia on a
surprise visit for my father's birthday, and brought him a bottle of scotch
whisky (I recall it was not a single malt, but a premium blend) - he was
known to enjoy a wee nip every now and again.
When my day died, 14 years ago, my mother said to me "You had better have
this!" - and gave me the exact same bottle I had gifted him twenty odd years
before.
Oh yes, he had still enjoyed his wee dram every now and again, but never
found the occasion to open my gift.
What a waste!!!
>On the other hand, on any other day, a special wine
> will make the entire day memorable...
I really like that line - I shall borrow it, with your permission.
I have plenty of very ordinary days, which can end perfectly, with a glass
or three of a gorgeous Gewurz or a perfect Pinot or a sensational Sauvignon
or a ravishing Riesling or a larger-than-life Aussie Shiraz.
Again, welcome.
--
st.helier
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| Camilla Krogstad |
"st.helier" <nospam@thisaddress.4me> wrote in message:
> "Camilla Krogstad" wrote in message .....
>
> Hi Camilla
>
> (and if I am not mistaken, welcome - another new face from Norway)
Hi! And yes, on both accounts...:-) Allthough I have to confess I've been
reading a bit every now and again for a while - always interested in good
tips & hints on wine!
>
> I know exactly what you mean.
>
> Many years ago, like in the mid 60's - I returned from Australia on a
> surprise visit for my father's birthday, and brought him a bottle of
scotch
> whisky (I recall it was not a single malt, but a premium blend) - he was
> known to enjoy a wee nip every now and again.
>
> When my day died, 14 years ago, my mother said to me "You had better have
> this!" - and gave me the exact same bottle I had gifted him twenty odd
years
> before.
>
> Oh yes, he had still enjoyed his wee dram every now and again, but never
> found the occasion to open my gift.
>
> What a waste!!!
Well, since I know my father is like this, I kind of force him to open a
bottle every now and again. The easiest way to do this, I've found, is to go
home to my parents house with some nice food, and cook for them. And then
ofcourse hint that this requires this-or-that wine of a certain quality. And
whattyaknow! Amazingly enough they just happen to have the most perfect
wine... (Always check first...;-)
>
> >On the other hand, on any other day, a special wine
> > will make the entire day memorable...
>
>
> I really like that line - I shall borrow it, with your permission.
Feel free! I think it is essensial that people learn this...
>
> I have plenty of very ordinary days, which can end perfectly, with a glass
> or three of a gorgeous Gewurz or a perfect Pinot or a sensational
Sauvignon
> or a ravishing Riesling or a larger-than-life Aussie Shiraz.
>
Exactly! And a rainy day feels much better if you can nurse your spirit with
an italian wine that starts with a "B"...
> Again, welcome.
>
Thanks!
C:
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| Swooper |
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:25:01 +1200, "st.helier"
<nospam@thisaddress.4me> wrote:
>"Mat" wrote..........
>
>> Yes Taylor's has a good reputation amongst the slightly lower rent of
>> us. Usually quite quaffable and goes down well with the crowds. The
>> bottles are quite attractive too, which despite what anyone says I find
>> important when enjoying wine.
>
>
>Hi Mat - actually, I have always regarded highly the "standard" Taylors
>Shiraz as excellent value for money.
>
>I am always will to try anything new, but my favourite everyday Aussie
>Shirazes would be Taylors (Clare Valley); Peter Lehmann (Barossa) and both
>the Wynn's and Penfolds 128 out of Coonawarra.
>
>But the St.Andrew's range is something entirely different - very serious
>wine, aimed at the premium end of the market.
>
>The St.Andrew's Shiraz I rate right up there with Jim Barry's "Armagh";
>Penfolds "St.Henri"; The Eileen Hardy; Lehmann "Stonewell" or Rosemount
>"Balmoral" - and knocking on the door of Henscke "Hill of Grace"
>
>I would put the St.Andrew's Cabernet Sauvignon on a par with the Penfold's
>Bin 707 as the best Aussie C/S (IMNSHO of course!!)
Whilst I rate the StAndrews highly, the Cab in the same leagues as
some of those adorable Margaret River drops? Can't agree there. Give
me a Leeuwin Estate, a Howard Park, a Cullen, A Wise, a Willespie,....
yep, Margaret River rules my Cabernet roost, just as McLaren Vale
rocks my shiraz socks.
Hooroo.....
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| Swooper |
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:48:36 +1000, Mat <Ask@me> wrote:
>Michael Bartlett wrote:
>> Hello folks!
>>
>> Just returned from two weeks in Malaysia - had an awesome time! The one
>> night I decided to have some international food, I discovered Taylor's St.
>> Andrew's Shiraz. I believe it retails around £22 in the UK. I found it to be
>> just marvelous! Everything one would expect from a Shiraz, plus more (great
>> hints of vanilla, cigar, chocolate and intense berries) Also, it didn't have
>> as full a body as many Shiraz's it's age (I had the '99) which was
>> pleasantly suprising.
>>
>> Here's a bit of info from their web site (of the '98) for more info...
>>
>> http://www.taylorswines.com.au/ourW...s.cfm?wine=7579
>>
>> On a side note. After arriving and being in London for 2 days, I was flown
>> off to San Fran for a business trip. Owing to short-notice I can only fly
>> out on Sunday - so I have Saturday to spend in California. Last time I was
>> here it was winter so rather than doing the wine-thing I did the
>> snowboard-thing. This time I'd love to get out a spend a day in the sun on
>> the wine farms. Can anyone recommend some flagship estates or a good little
>> day trip of wine farms I could enjoy out here. I'd be looking for Cab/Shiraz
>> and Sauv Blanc ish wines - certainly not Zin!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>
>Hello,
>
>Yes Taylor's has a good reputation amongst the slightly lower rent of
>us. Usually quite quaffable and goes down well with the crowds. The
>bottles are quite attractive too, which despite what anyone says I find
>important when enjoying wine.
>
>http://www.taylorswines.com.au/ourWinesTaylors.cfm
>
>The red's in the Taylor's Taylor's range are usually quite pleasant in
>general (I'm not that much of a white drinker usually, so not too sure
>about the whites), and retail for about $13AU if you have a Dan Murphy's
>handy; (sorry Swooper :-\, they *do* have pretty bad service tho);
>danmurphy.com.au ; (i.e.: you live in Oz [I've only just recently
>appreciated the humour in using Oz as shorthand for Australia, given the
>US TV series as well as our history :-))] ).
I stock both entry level Taylor's and St.Andrews, but it DOES peeve me
when Dan advdertises wines like that, (Taylor's entry level shiraz),
at a price around my LUC. All the more reason to keep going to the
shows and hand picking my own range of boutique wines.
BTW: Everyone assumes Dan is cheap. He is NOT!. Whilst he may sell
bottom end juice at cost, he makes up for it at the top end. Many of
his premium wines can be found less expensive in my little shop...:>)
>
>As for California, I was there about 10 years ago with the parents, who
>hadn't developed a taste for wine (nor had I). So instead of wineries we
>did Disneyland and Tijuana. Perhaps one day I will get back there.
Can't think of the name, but had a Merlot from the Stags Leap region,
and it was the best wine I tatsted on the night, ( which included
numerous Bordeaux, and a range of Barolo's. Certainly quietened my
usual cynicism regarding US wines...:>)
Hooroo...
>
>Mat.
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| Swooper |
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:38:12 +0200, "Camilla Krogstad"
<camilla.krogstad@telenor.com> wrote:
>
>"Mat" <Ask@me> wrote in message:
>>
>> I keep buying the old man "keepers" for special events, like Rosemount
>> Show Reserve and the like, you know, age 10+ years, and then he says "I
>> didn't think much of that wine you got me" a week later!
>>
>
>Just a short, short comment... Actually, you should be happy, at least he
>drinks the wine! I keep buying my pa nice wine to drink now (he doesn't
>really have a proper place to store wine - yet), and he always claims that
>he "can't drink that kind of wine without a proper reason" - like a very
>special event. And I keep telling him that if you have a really nice wine, a
>perfectly normal Tuesday (or any other six days of the week) will do. If you
>keep it for your special event, you'll be to busy experiencing the event to
>really appreciate the wine. On the other hand, on any other day, a special
>wine will make the entire day memorable...
>
>C:
>
I like that attitude...:>)
hooroo....
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| Mat |
Swooper wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:48:36 +1000, Mat <Ask@me> wrote:
>
>
>>Michael Bartlett wrote:
>>
>>>Hello folks!
>>>
>>>Just returned from two weeks in Malaysia - had an awesome time! The one
>>>night I decided to have some international food, I discovered Taylor's St.
>>>Andrew's Shiraz. I believe it retails around £22 in the UK. I found it to be
>>>just marvelous! Everything one would expect from a Shiraz, plus more (great
>>>hints of vanilla, cigar, chocolate and intense berries) Also, it didn't have
>>>as full a body as many Shiraz's it's age (I had the '99) which was
>>>pleasantly suprising.
>>>
>>>Here's a bit of info from their web site (of the '98) for more info...
>>>
>>>http://www.taylorswines.com.au/ourW...s.cfm?wine=7579
>>>
>>>On a side note. After arriving and being in London for 2 days, I was flown
>>>off to San Fran for a business trip. Owing to short-notice I can only fly
>>>out on Sunday - so I have Saturday to spend in California. Last time I was
>>>here it was winter so rather than doing the wine-thing I did the
>>>snowboard-thing. This time I'd love to get out a spend a day in the sun on
>>>the wine farms. Can anyone recommend some flagship estates or a good little
>>>day trip of wine farms I could enjoy out here. I'd be looking for Cab/Shiraz
>>>and Sauv Blanc ish wines - certainly not Zin!
>>>
>>>Cheers
>>>Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>Yes Taylor's has a good reputation amongst the slightly lower rent of
>>us. Usually quite quaffable and goes down well with the crowds. The
>>bottles are quite attractive too, which despite what anyone says I find
>>important when enjoying wine.
>>
>>http://www.taylorswines.com.au/ourWinesTaylors.cfm
>>
>>The red's in the Taylor's Taylor's range are usually quite pleasant in
>>general (I'm not that much of a white drinker usually, so not too sure
>>about the whites), and retail for about $13AU if you have a Dan Murphy's
>>handy; (sorry Swooper :-\, they *do* have pretty bad service tho);
>>danmurphy.com.au ; (i.e.: you live in Oz [I've only just recently
>>appreciated the humour in using Oz as shorthand for Australia, given the
>>US TV series as well as our history :-))] ).
>
>
> I stock both entry level Taylor's and St.Andrews, but it DOES peeve me
> when Dan advdertises wines like that, (Taylor's entry level shiraz),
> at a price around my LUC. All the more reason to keep going to the
> shows and hand picking my own range of boutique wines.
>
LUC? I assume that's what you buy it for?
And yes, serious winos I believe will go to you over somewhere like
Dan's (in all my visits I've only ever come across one guy willing to
help, and that was when I was purusing his high-end section [I think he
was the resident expert]). I would say they do a lot of lower priced
turnover, but not so much mid-high end or specialist stuff (see next
comment).
Particuarly considering much of their wine sits in a hot and bright
enviro for long long stretches. It amazes me they have bottles upon
bottles of $400+++AU wine on display for who knows how long.
> BTW: Everyone assumes Dan is cheap. He is NOT!. Whilst he may sell
> bottom end juice at cost, he makes up for it at the top end. Many of
> his premium wines can be found less expensive in my little shop...:>)
>
He is quite cheap. I've yet to see him outpriced on anything (there is a
guarantee to beat any price). It often astounds me how much cheaper it
actually is. I know they have a policy of looking around and putting
their prices below anyone else.
Will beat any other price they say, but so does Quaffers (? in Mt.
Waverly, who advertise the day after Dan). I wonder if anyone has
managed to make them beat each other black and blue until they're giving
it away?
Most ppl will walk in off the street and buy without much price-matching
research, but I often know what most RRPs are, so I know how they are
cheaper than the other big liquor chains, and any little shops I go into.
When you say premium what sort of stuff are you talking about? I haven't
really price matched any of the really high end stuff, but anything up
to $40AU is always cheaper in my experience.
> usual cynicism regarding US wines...:>)
Shhhhhh. ;-)
BTW, someone was telling me the Taylor's Cab Sav got voted best cab sav
in the world. They couldn't be more specific, just heard it on the radio.
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| Swooper |
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 17:12:43 +1000, Mat <Ask@me> wrote:
>Swooper wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:48:36 +1000, Mat <Ask@me> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Michael Bartlett wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello folks!
>>>>
>>>>Just returned from two weeks in Malaysia - had an awesome time! The one
>>>>night I decided to have some international food, I discovered Taylor's St.
>>>>Andrew's Shiraz. I believe it retails around £22 in the UK. I found it to be
>>>>just marvelous! Everything one would expect from a Shiraz, plus more (great
>>>>hints of vanilla, cigar, chocolate and intense berries) Also, it didn't have
>>>>as full a body as many Shiraz's it's age (I had the '99) which was
>>>>pleasantly suprising.
>>>>
>>>>Here's a bit of info from their web site (of the '98) for more info...
>>>>
>>>>http://www.taylorswines.com.au/ourW...s.cfm?wine=7579
>>>>
>>>>On a side note. After arriving and being in London for 2 days, I was flown
>>>>off to San Fran for a business trip. Owing to short-notice I can only fly
>>>>out on Sunday - so I have Saturday to spend in California. Last time I was
>>>>here it was winter so rather than doing the wine-thing I did the
>>>>snowboard-thing. This time I'd love to get out a spend a day in the sun on
>>>>the wine farms. Can anyone recommend some flagship estates or a good little
>>>>day trip of wine farms I could enjoy out here. I'd be looking for Cab/Shiraz
>>>>and Sauv Blanc ish wines - certainly not Zin!
>>>>
>>>>Cheers
>>>>Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>Yes Taylor's has a good reputation amongst the slightly lower rent of
>>>us. Usually quite quaffable and goes down well with the crowds. The
>>>bottles are quite attractive too, which despite what anyone says I find
>>>important when enjoying wine.
>>>
>>>http://www.taylorswines.com.au/ourWinesTaylors.cfm
>>>
>>>The red's in the Taylor's Taylor's range are usually quite pleasant in
>>>general (I'm not that much of a white drinker usually, so not too sure
>>>about the whites), and retail for about $13AU if you have a Dan Murphy's
>>>handy; (sorry Swooper :-\, they *do* have pretty bad service tho);
>>>danmurphy.com.au ; (i.e.: you live in Oz [I've only just recently
>>>appreciated the humour in using Oz as shorthand for Australia, given the
>>>US TV series as well as our history :-))] ).
>>
>>
>> I stock both entry level Taylor's and St.Andrews, but it DOES peeve me
>> when Dan advdertises wines like that, (Taylor's entry level shiraz),
>> at a price around my LUC. All the more reason to keep going to the
>> shows and hand picking my own range of boutique wines.
>>
>
>LUC? I assume that's what you buy it for?
Sorry, yes...Landed Unit Cost.
>
>And yes, serious winos I believe will go to you over somewhere like
>Dan's (in all my visits I've only ever come across one guy willing to
>help, and that was when I was purusing his high-end section [I think he
>was the resident expert]). I would say they do a lot of lower priced
>turnover, but not so much mid-high end or specialist stuff (see next
>comment).
I love it when folks ask you to match wines for their menu plans. I
do not consider my self an expert, far from it, but oodles more of a
clue than an acne ridden 21 year old kid at Dans....:>)
>
>Particuarly considering much of their wine sits in a hot and bright
>enviro for long long stretches. It amazes me they have bottles upon
>bottles of $400+++AU wine on display for who knows how long.
>
>> BTW: Everyone assumes Dan is cheap. He is NOT!. Whilst he may sell
>> bottom end juice at cost, he makes up for it at the top end. Many of
>> his premium wines can be found less expensive in my little shop...:>)
>>
>
>He is quite cheap. I've yet to see him outpriced on anything (there is a
>guarantee to beat any price). It often astounds me how much cheaper it
>actually is. I know they have a policy of looking around and putting
>their prices below anyone else.
>
>Will beat any other price they say, but so does Quaffers (? in Mt.
>Waverly, who advertise the day after Dan). I wonder if anyone has
>managed to make them beat each other black and blue until they're giving
>it away?
Southcorp already has the monopoly on giving juice away...:>)
>
>Most ppl will walk in off the street and buy without much price-matching
>research, but I often know what most RRPs are, so I know how they are
>cheaper than the other big liquor chains, and any little shops I go into.
>
>When you say premium what sort of stuff are you talking about? I haven't
>really price matched any of the really high end stuff, but anything up
>to $40AU is always cheaper in my experience.
My specialty lines seem to be the boutique $25 -45 wines, and IF
Murphy et al also stock them, they tend to be a few dollars more. I
can only assume they put their standard margin on, and because the
smaller distributors are less prone to 'prostitiute' the wholesale
pricing, they are in fact closer to or at the same LUC as me. It is
not always the big boys shaving margins that is the problem/cause of
price disparity, moreso, the willingness of the Southcorps, Blass' et
al to supply at very low prices or camouflage LUC's by 'rebates'. It
is the rebate sysytem that nearly sent Southcorp under.
>
>> usual cynicism regarding US wines...:>)
>
>Shhhhhh. ;-)
>
>
>BTW, someone was telling me the Taylor's Cab Sav got voted best cab sav
>in the world. They couldn't be more specific, just heard it on the radio.
After St Helier's claim, I decided to re-visit the St Andrews on
Sunday. Alone in my shop, no offer from family to let me have Fathers
Day off, so I spoilt myself with a bottle of the 1998. It IS a
fantastic wine.... but best in Oz?...not imho. Then again, I am
biased for Marg River, so I guess that has to be considered.
Anyway...I'm off to the Fine Wine and Spirits show in town.... :>)
Hooroo.....
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