| nancree |
I'd say, "leave well enough alone". (grin) You can't be serious.
I can't imagine asking someone to "not speak to me unless I speak to
you first".
In So. Cal. they are so helpful--if I ask where something is, they
offer to run and get it. The supermarkets are huge here, so your
"genuine personal recognition" is not very probable. Just be glad
you're not in Manhattan, where they won't even look up if you ask a
question.
For myself, it doesn't bother me, and I smile back with a "no thank
you".
Cheer up, now. Good wishes !
Nancree
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| aem |
Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>[snip]
> LOL! Why not just say "Shut the f@#% up!" I'm sure they'd comply.
>
> Frankly, I don't want them to stop. I appreciate the help when I
need it,
> and most employees greet me with a smile that I feel is genuine.
When I
> express a need for help to one of their enquiries, they're always
more than
> happy to do so.
I also appreciate the help. When I need it, I ask for it, and they
give it to me, and I'm grateful for that. It's the phony solicitation
when I have not looked in their direction that unsettles me.
>
> On second thought, why not just chill and nod?
That's what I do. I'm looking for an improvement. -aem
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| Wayne Boatwright |
On Mon 21 Mar 2005 09:33:55p, aem wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>[snip]
>> LOL! Why not just say "Shut the f@#% up!" I'm sure they'd comply.
>>
>> Frankly, I don't want them to stop. I appreciate the help when I need
>> it, and most employees greet me with a smile that I feel is genuine.
>> When I express a need for help to one of their enquiries, they're
>> always more than happy to do so.
>
> I also appreciate the help. When I need it, I ask for it, and they
> give it to me, and I'm grateful for that. It's the phony solicitation
> when I have not looked in their direction that unsettles me.
>>
>> On second thought, why not just chill and nod?
>
> That's what I do. I'm looking for an improvement. -aem
I'd hate to see it "improved" out of existence, but since I doubt we live
in the same city, that's not likely to happen here.
You might try a friendly and sincere approach with the manager, explaining
that you feel their approaches are a bit more invasive than you like.
--
Wayne Boatwright
____________________________________________
Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974
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| Virginia Tadrzynski |
"Wayne Boatwright" <waynesgang@waynes.gang> wrote in message
news:Xns9620DFBBF342Dwaynesgang@81.174.12.30...
> On Mon 21 Mar 2005 09:33:55p, aem wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> >
> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >>[snip]
> >> LOL! Why not just say "Shut the f@#% up!" I'm sure they'd comply.
> >>
> >> Frankly, I don't want them to stop. I appreciate the help when I need
> >> it, and most employees greet me with a smile that I feel is genuine.
> >> When I express a need for help to one of their enquiries, they're
> >> always more than happy to do so.
> >
> > I also appreciate the help. When I need it, I ask for it, and they
> > give it to me, and I'm grateful for that. It's the phony solicitation
> > when I have not looked in their direction that unsettles me.
> >>
> >> On second thought, why not just chill and nod?
> >
> > That's what I do. I'm looking for an improvement. -aem
>
> I'd hate to see it "improved" out of existence, but since I doubt we live
> in the same city, that's not likely to happen here.
>
> You might try a friendly and sincere approach with the manager, explaining
> that you feel their approaches are a bit more invasive than you like.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright
> ____________________________________________
>
> Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
> Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974
Try a sly wink and a kissy face in the direction of the false
sincerity.....usually scares the hell out of them, especially if they are
younglings and you are, alas, a middle aged, slightly lumpy adult....makes
them wonder what they started and probably couldn't stop.
-Ginny
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| Dog3 |
"nancree" <nancree@aol.com> wrote in
news:1111464425.332514.308900@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> I'd say, "leave well enough alone". (grin) You can't be serious.
> I can't imagine asking someone to "not speak to me unless I speak to
> you first".
> In So. Cal. they are so helpful--if I ask where something is, they
> offer to run and get it. The supermarkets are huge here, so your
> "genuine personal recognition" is not very probable. Just be glad
> you're not in Manhattan, where they won't even look up if you ask a
> question.
> For myself, it doesn't bother me, and I smile back with a "no thank
> you".
> Cheer up, now. Good wishes !
> Nancree
>
>
They don't do that in the supermarkets here. I've only experienced it at
Home Depot and it is annoying since the clerks don't know diddly at Home
Depot. I'm not sure if I got the spelling right. I'd just as soon shop all
by my lonesome and ask someone a question if I had one.
Michael
--
Opinions founded on prejudice are always sustained with the greatest
violence.
-- Hebrew proverb
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| Dog3 |
"Virginia Tadrzynski" <tadx6@enter.net> wrote in
news:3a9o7sF686cmiU1@individual.net:
>
> "Wayne Boatwright" <waynesgang@waynes.gang> wrote in message
> news:Xns9620DFBBF342Dwaynesgang@81.174.12.30...
>> On Mon 21 Mar 2005 09:33:55p, aem wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>> >
>> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> >>[snip]
>> >> LOL! Why not just say "Shut the f@#% up!" I'm sure they'd
>> >> comply.
>> >>
>> >> Frankly, I don't want them to stop. I appreciate the help when I
>> >> need it, and most employees greet me with a smile that I feel is
>> >> genuine. When I express a need for help to one of their enquiries,
>> >> they're always more than happy to do so.
>> >
>> > I also appreciate the help. When I need it, I ask for it, and they
>> > give it to me, and I'm grateful for that. It's the phony
>> > solicitation when I have not looked in their direction that
>> > unsettles me.
>> >>
>> >> On second thought, why not just chill and nod?
>> >
>> > That's what I do. I'm looking for an improvement. -aem
>>
>> I'd hate to see it "improved" out of existence, but since I doubt we
>> live in the same city, that's not likely to happen here.
>>
>> You might try a friendly and sincere approach with the manager,
>> explaining that you feel their approaches are a bit more invasive
>> than you like.
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>> ____________________________________________
>>
>> Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
>> Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974
>
>
>
> Try a sly wink and a kissy face in the direction of the false
> sincerity.....usually scares the hell out of them, especially if they
> are younglings and you are, alas, a middle aged, slightly lumpy
> adult....makes them wonder what they started and probably couldn't
> stop. -Ginny
>
>
>
ROFLMAO... This just might work. Too funny.
Michael
--
Opinions founded on prejudice are always sustained with the greatest
violence.
-- Hebrew proverb
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| Damsel in dis Dress |
Dog3 <uhoh@ajfl;ajklsd;ajlds.nutz>, if that's their real name, wrote:
>They don't do that in the supermarkets here. I've only experienced it at
>Home Depot and it is annoying since the clerks don't know diddly at Home
>Depot. I'm not sure if I got the spelling right. I'd just as soon shop all
>by my lonesome and ask someone a question if I had one.
We recently shopped at Home Depot, and we really appreciated the help we
got. We were standing near the front of the store, looking lost, confused,
and bewildered. Along came our knight in shining armor. Okay, make that
an orange uniform. He walked all the way across the store with us to make
sure that we wouldn't become lost, confused, and bewildered partway between
the store's entrance and the drawer pulls. I'm always impressed and
grateful when someone like this comes along.
At WalMart, the floor staff usually seems to be trying to escape
recognition.
Carol
--
Coming at ya live from beautiful downtown Mayberry.
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| Puester |
> Dog3 <uhoh@ajfl;ajklsd;ajlds.nutz>, if that's their real name, wrote:
>
>
>>They don't do that in the supermarkets here. I've only experienced it at
>>Home Depot and it is annoying since the clerks don't know diddly at Home
>>Depot. I'm not sure if I got the spelling right. I'd just as soon shop all
>>by my lonesome and ask someone a question if I had one.
>
>
Funny, in my experience most local Home Depot employees are
VERY knowlegeable in all fields of construction and home repair and if
there's something they don't know, they will call someone who does.
Many times we have been steered away from our original concept to
something easier, less expensive, and better as a repair.
gloria p
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| Edwin Pawlowski |
"Dog3" <uhoh@ajfl;ajklsd;ajlds.nutz> wrote in message
>> Try a sly wink and a kissy face in the direction of the false
>> sincerity.....usually scares the hell out of them, especially if they
>> are younglings and you are, alas, a middle aged, slightly lumpy
>> adult....makes them wonder what they started and probably couldn't
>> stop. -Ginny
>>
>>
>>
>
> ROFLMAO... This just might work. Too funny.
>
> Michael
I'd try it myself, but the guy might just wink back at me.
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| Ed Grabau and Pam Jacoby |
OK, OK, to make a long story long (but I will get to the greeting thing)---
Mr. Grabau and I are in the process of moving from Minnesota (Twin Cities
[specifically, St. Paul outer tier suburbs) to Colorado (Woodland
Park---essentially west of Colorado Springs and up Ute Pass to the 8500-ft
level). This is a slow process---we now own two homes---as of 12/17/2004.
Like I said, this is a slow process.
We Twin Citians are a very spoiled lot when it comes to grocery stores. We
have some beauties. Sad to say, I think that they've been moving to the
Safeway/Albertson's/whatever side in recent months. Be that as it may, up
to now, we are bleeding spoiled rotten within the Twin Cities (Minnesota)
area when it comes to grocers. Sheesh, we are going to miss this; luckily,
Wholefoods has moved into Colorado Springs---but it's not enough.
I mean, I mean, we went to our local Woodland Park Safeway. The so-called
deli section wasn't any larger than an envelope. We're accustomed (in
Minnesota) to a store that caters to overpaid yuppies who never cook. For
cryin' in the beer, the so-called deli section in our local Minnesota
Byerlys' is darn near a quarter of the store. The store sells USDA PRIME
meat (I buy the little scrap packs for stir fry, hehe). Want fresh
trout---the butcher picks one out of the tank, cleans and dresses it for
you---likewise, lobster. It's truly pathetic how pampered we are, and I
love it! Ah, well, we'll get accustomed to it---eventually.
To the short of the story, the Woodland Park Safeway was in the muddle
(intentional) of a remodel when we met up with it. They had a help-you
shopper person looking out for people who couldn't find their way in the new
layout. Well of course we were blind, we'd never been in the store, much
less before the remodel, so we always had puzzled faces. It took some work
to assure her that we needed to find our own around the store, but she was
truly good and helpful. Our checkout clerk was the supervisory clerk (after
we BROKE THE FEWER THAN LANE RULE by not seeing the stupid sign hanging from
the ceiling---we quickly reloaded and moved---we are mostly nice people).
She was a sweetie, and really good at the welcome-to-our-store thing
The shorter part of the story is that a few days later, we were notified
that a dearly beloved uncle died after a virulent form of lymphoma. Ed and
I were in scream mode to get from essentially Colorado Springs to north of
Grand Forks, ND, for the funeral. I rushed into that Safeway just for a
sympathy card. The GD stripling checkout clerk made me feel like I was part
of the Spanish Inquisition.
Long story short and short story long---training, training, training and
experience, experience, experience.
Pam
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| Ed Grabau and Pam Jacoby |
OK, OK, to make a long story long (but I will get to the greeting thing)---
Mr. Grabau and I are in the process of moving from Minnesota (Twin Cities
[specifically, St. Paul outer tier suburbs) to Colorado (Woodland
Park---essentially west of Colorado Springs and up Ute Pass to the 8500-ft
level). This is a slow process---we now own two homes---as of 12/17/2004.
Like I said, this is a slow process.
We Twin Citians are a very spoiled lot when it comes to grocery stores. We
have some beauties. Sad to say, I think that they've been moving to the
Safeway/Albertson's/whatever side in recent months. Be that as it may, up
to now, we are bleeding spoiled rotten within the Twin Cities (Minnesota)
area when it comes to grocers. Sheesh, we are going to miss this; luckily,
Wholefoods has moved into Colorado Springs---but it's not enough.
I mean, I mean, we went to our local Woodland Park Safeway. The so-called
deli section wasn't any larger than an envelope. We're accustomed (in
Minnesota) to a store that caters to overpaid yuppies who never cook. For
cryin' in the beer, the so-called deli section in our local Minnesota
Byerlys' is darn near a quarter of the store. The store sells USDA PRIME
meat (I buy the little scrap packs for stir fry, hehe). Want fresh
trout---the butcher picks one out of the tank, cleans and dresses it for
you---likewise, lobster. It's truly pathetic how pampered we are, and I
love it! Ah, well, we'll get accustomed to it---eventually.
To the short of the story, the Woodland Park Safeway was in the muddle
(intentional) of a remodel when we met up with it. They had a help-you
shopper person looking out for people who couldn't find their way in the new
layout. Well of course we were blind, we'd never been in the store, much
less before the remodel, so we always had puzzled faces. It took some work
to assure her that we needed to find our own around the store, but she was
truly good and helpful. Our checkout clerk was the supervisory clerk (after
we BROKE THE FEWER THAN LANE RULE by not seeing the stupid sign hanging from
the ceiling---we quickly reloaded and moved---we are mostly nice people).
She was a sweetie, and really good at the welcome-to-our-store thing
The shorter part of the story is that a few days later, we were notified
that a dearly beloved uncle died after a virulent form of lymphoma. Ed and
I were in scream mode to get from essentially Colorado Springs to north of
Grand Forks, ND, for the funeral. I rushed into that Safeway just for a
sympathy card. The GD stripling checkout clerk made me feel like I was part
of the Spanish Inquisition.
Long story short and short story long---training, training, training and
experience, experience, experience.
Pam
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| Mad Dan |
hubert liverman wrote:
>
> I am a partially sighted,Piano Tuner.
Does that mean you're only half as good as the more famous blind piano
tuners then?
Do you offer a discount?
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| -L. |
Dave Smith wrote:
> It's nice to be genuinely welcomed into a store, but to have someone
> standing at the door with a smiley face pasted on and a superficial
display
> of welcome is meaningless. Don't have some pleasant old retired
person
> welcoming me into the store for minimum wage. Have someone working on
the
> floor who can help me when I need help. Treat me with respect when I
come
> in through the doors, instead of having a phoney smile and want to
staple
> my bags closed with a tag on so that you won't have reason to think I
have
> shoved things into my bags without paying for them. I refuse to
enter a
> store where they take pre-emptive steps to prevent me from
shoplifting when
> I had no intention of stealing anything.
What I hate worse are the stores who have snot-nosed kids standing at
the exit door to check your bags and recipts to make sure you don't
have stolen goods in them (Fry's, best Buy, etc.). I hate to believe
this society has deteriorated to the point where we have to treat
everybody as a criminal.
-L.
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| Rhonda Anderson |
"-L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote in news:1111566343.225508.97120
@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> What I hate worse are the stores who have snot-nosed kids standing at
> the exit door to check your bags and recipts to make sure you don't
> have stolen goods in them (Fry's, best Buy, etc.).
More stores than not here have electronic gates as you go out the doors
that should beep if you're absconding with merchandise (and haven't
figured out how to remove the gizmo that beeps). Even the supermarket I
use has these at each checkout, as do most large chain stores. In
addition, most large chain stores (e.g. Target) have someone standing at
the exit to the store to check bags. The cashiers can also ask to check
bags.
Each state has a bag check code of practice.For NSW it's here -
http://www.ara.com.au/aransw/Bag_Check.pdf
If the store forewarns you that it is a policy to check bags (usually
worded that it is a condition of entry to the store to allow this) then
they can ask to check your bag, and if you refuse they can ask you to
leave the store and not return until you comply with the conditions of
entry. They can't check personal handbags smaller than an A4 sheet of
paper unless they have reason to believe you're concealing something,
they can't touch the bag themselves to move anything etc. The majority of
stores have signs advising it is their policy to check bags.
I've just become used to it and automatically open my bag on the way out
of stores like Target or Big W etc. Much of the time it's a very cursory
glance.
Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia
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| Shirley Thebaglady |
I read in a magazine years ago- It was called " Do you Re-act or Act?
If you meet someone- do you say "hello"; or do you wait for them to
say "hello".
I alway say "hi" or "hello" even if a person I meet does not. So I Act.
Some people are very moody especially in the morning.
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| Sheldon |
Dave Smith wrote:
> aem wrote:
>
> > Went to the market today with a longer list than normal so I found
> > myself in every section of the store, spending more than twice my
> > normal time. No fewer than six employees greeted me: "Hi, how are
> > you? How're you doing? How's it going? How are you? Can I help
you
> > find anything? Is there anything I can help you with?" This is
before
> > I got to the checkout line where the checker thanks me by name (off
the
> > receipt) and the bagger asks if I want help out. I am so friggin
sick
> > of this fake personalizing of what is in fact an impersonal
business
> > transaction I could barf. I have lived in a small town, so I know
what
> > genuine personal recognition is, and this corporate
management-directed
> > bonhomie is not it. So here are my questions.
> >
> > To whom do I express my preference not to be spoken to unless I ask
a
> > question? And, if enough people stated a similar preference, could
we
> > get them to stop? -aem
>
> It's nice to be genuinely welcomed into a store, but to have someone
> standing at the door with a smiley face pasted on and a superficial
display
> of welcome is meaningless. Don't have some pleasant old retired
person
> welcoming me into the store for minimum wage. Have someone working on
the
> floor who can help me when I need help. Treat me with respect when I
come
> in through the doors, instead of having a phoney smile and want to
staple
> my bags closed with a tag on so that you won't have reason to think I
have
> shoved things into my bags without paying for them. I refuse to
enter a
> store where they take pre-emptive steps to prevent me from
shoplifting when
> I had no intention of stealing anything.
It's easy to keep everyone away, upon entering the store why don't you
just unzip your fly.
Sheldon
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| Melba's Jammin' |
In article <1111566343.225508.97120@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"-L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote:
(snip)
>
> What I hate worse are the stores who have snot-nosed kids standing at
> the exit door to check your bags and recipts to make sure you don't
> have stolen goods in them (Fry's, best Buy, etc.). I hate to believe
> this society has deteriorated to the point where we have to treat
> everybody as a criminal.
>
> -L.
But it has. If they can discourage shoplifting by posting sentries, it
doesn't bother me a bit (unless I'm trying to steal from them). Yeah, a
sad sign of the times.
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Sweet Potato Follies added 2/24/05.
"I read recipes the way I read science fiction: I get to the end and
say,'Well, that's not going to happen.'" - Comedian Rita Rudner,
performance at New York, New York, January 10, 2005.
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| Melba's Jammin' |
In article <Xns9622E3888C2ECschumacher11bigpondc@61.9.191.5>, Rhonda
Anderson <schumacher11@bigpond.com> wrote:
(snip)
> More stores than not here have electronic gates as you go out the doors
> that should beep if you're absconding with merchandise (and haven't
> figured out how to remove the gizmo that beeps). Even the supermarket I
> use has these at each checkout, as do most large chain stores. In
> addition, most large chain stores (e.g. Target)
Is that my red and white bullseye logo Target store? If so, wow! They
don't do that here! They've got the electronic gates, but no one
checking bags at the doors. (They check bags at the baseball stadium on
the way in -- make sure there are no bombs or contraband beverages, I
think).
have someone standing at
> the exit to the store to check bags. The cashiers can also ask to check
> bags.
>
> Each state has a bag check code of practice.For NSW it's here -
>
> http://www.ara.com.au/aransw/Bag_Check.pdf
>
> If the store forewarns you that it is a policy to check bags (usually
> worded that it is a condition of entry to the store to allow this) then
> they can ask to check your bag, and if you refuse they can ask you to
> leave the store and not return until you comply with the conditions of
> entry. They can't check personal handbags smaller than an A4 sheet of
> paper unless they have reason to believe you're concealing something,
> they can't touch the bag themselves to move anything etc. The majority of
> stores have signs advising it is their policy to check bags.
>
> I've just become used to it and automatically open my bag on the way out
> of stores like Target or Big W etc. Much of the time it's a very cursory
> glance.
> Rhonda Anderson
> Cranebrook, NSW, Australia
Interesting. Thanks, Rhonda. Sam's Club counts the number of items in
the cart to match the number shown on the receipt. Also often a cursory
glance.
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Sweet Potato Follies added 2/24/05.
"I read recipes the way I read science fiction: I get to the end and
say,'Well, that's not going to happen.'" - Comedian Rita Rudner,
performance at New York, New York, January 10, 2005.
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| Sheldon |
Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article <1111566343.225508.97120@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "-L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote:
> (snip)
> >
> > What I hate worse are the stores who have snot-nosed kids standing
at
> > the exit door to check your bags and recipts to make sure you don't
> > have stolen goods in them (Fry's, best Buy, etc.). I hate to
believe
> > this society has deteriorated to the point where we have to treat
> > everybody as a criminal.
> >
> > -L.
>
> But it has. If they can discourage shoplifting by posting sentries,
it
> doesn't bother me a bit (unless I'm trying to steal from them).
Yeah, a
> sad sign of the times.
Shoplifting has been around a very long time only now with so many
stores adopting a self-serve policy it's become far more prevalent, and
with so many small expensive itmes curtailment has become increasingly
difficult.
Just a month ago I went to Staples for printer ink cartridges, each
cartridge on the rack was locked into a large plastic case requiring a
special key at the check-out. The store employee who helped me locate
the cartridges I needed informed me that printer ink cartridges had
become the most often stolen items in the store... people would remove
the small cartridges from their box, pocket them, and hang the empty
cardboard boxes back on the rack. Before implimenting the plastic lock
boxes inventory indicated that more than 60% of printer ink cartridges
were stolen.
I'm glad that steps are being taken to curtail shoplifting, not only
don't I mind the security checks at the door, I welcome the practice...
things like printer ink cartridges are expensive enough, I don't want
to be forced to also pay for those taken by thieves. The stores call
shoplifting losses "shrinkage", which is paid for by the honest
customers in the form of higher prices... I recently read that average
stupidmarket shrinkage is now at about 25%... which amounts to about a
50% increase over the past 5 years. When you note higher food prices
it's not so much that the items cost more, it's mostly to cover the
cost of shrinkage... each time someone swipes something from the
non-prescription drug asisle the price of bread increases... do you
really think that loaf of bread should cost the same as a toothbrush,
you're paying $3 a loaf to cover the stolen toothbrushes that normally
sell for $3 but actually cost only 10=A2. Shrinkage also encompasses
items stolen by store employees, another large segment.
Sheldon
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| Dimitri |
"Sheldon" <PENMART01@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1111593371.921838.283570@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
I'm glad that steps are being taken to curtail shoplifting, not only
don't I mind the security checks at the door, I welcome the practice...
things like printer ink cartridges are expensive enough, I don't want
to be forced to also pay for those taken by thieves. The stores call
shoplifting losses "shrinkage", which is paid for by the honest
customers in the form of higher prices... I recently read that average
stupidmarket shrinkage is now at about 25%... which amounts to about a
50% increase over the past 5 years. When you note higher food prices
it's not so much that the items cost more, it's mostly to cover the
cost of shrinkage... each time someone swipes something from the
non-prescription drug asisle the price of bread increases... do you
really think that loaf of bread should cost the same as a toothbrush,
you're paying $3 a loaf to cover the stolen toothbrushes that normally
sell for $3 but actually cost only 10¢. Shrinkage also encompasses
items stolen by store employees, another large segment.
Sheldon
Amen - its important to remember the companies raise prices to pay for the
losses - Shpolifters are steeling from US not THEM.
Dimitri
The first google hit:
http://www.crimedoctor.com/shoplifting.htm
Theft from stores, including employee and vendor theft, cost retailers many
billions of dollars per year. Independent retail studies* have estimated
theft from retail stores costs the American public 33.21 billion dollars per
year. Depending on the type of retail store, retail inventory shrinkage
ranges from .7% - 2.2% of gross sales with the average falling around 1.70%.
Whole retail store chains have gone out of business due to their inability
to control retail theft losses. And worse yet, the cost of these losses are
passed on to us...the consumer.
Shoplifting losses will vary by store type, but can account for about
one-third of the total inventory shrinkage. It is estimated that
shoplifting occurs 330 - 440 million times per year at a loss of $10 - $13
billion dollars. Nationwide, that equates to 1.0 - 1.2 million shoplift
incidents everyday at a loss rate of $19,000 - $25,300 dollars stolen per
minute. When you factor in employee and vendor theft, this sum skyrockets
to an estimate of over $33 billion dollars stolen per year.
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Sheldon wrote:
>
> Shoplifting has been around a very long time only now with so many
> stores adopting a self-serve policy it's become far more prevalent,
and
> with so many small expensive itmes curtailment has become
increasingly
> difficult.
>
> Just a month ago I went to Staples for printer ink cartridges, each
> cartridge on the rack was locked into a large plastic case requiring
a
> special key at the check-out. The store employee who helped me
locate
> the cartridges I needed informed me that printer ink cartridges had
> become the most often stolen items in the store... people would
remove
> the small cartridges from their box, pocket them, and hang the empty
> cardboard boxes back on the rack. Before implimenting the plastic
lock
> boxes inventory indicated that more than 60% of printer ink
cartridges
> were stolen.
>
> I'm glad that steps are being taken to curtail shoplifting, not only
> don't I mind the security checks at the door, I welcome the
practice...
It ignores the fact that a large portion of "shrinkage" is due to
employee theft.
-L.
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| Damsel in dis Dress |
thebagladyshirleyann@webtv.net (Shirley Thebaglady), if that's their real
name, wrote:
>I read in a magazine years ago- It was called " Do you Re-act or Act?
>
>If you meet someone- do you say "hello"; or do you wait for them to
>say "hello".
>
>I alway say "hi" or "hello" even if a person I meet does not. So I Act.
>
>Some people are very moody especially in the morning.
I seek out the "invisible" people of this world, and try to smile and say
hi. Most appreciate it. I know what it's like to feel invisible.
Carol
--
Coming at you live, from beautiful Lake Woebegon
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| aem |
Sheldon wrote:
[snip preceding]
>
> It's easy to keep everyone away, upon entering the store why don't
you
> just unzip your fly.
>
No, I was in the Army, not the Navy. -aem
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Dimitri wrote:
> Amen - its important to remember the companies raise prices to pay
for the
> losses - Shpolifters are steeling from US not THEM.
>
> Dimitri
>
> The first google hit:
>
> http://www.crimedoctor.com/shoplifting.htm
>
> Theft from stores, including employee and vendor theft, cost
retailers many
> billions of dollars per year. Independent retail studies* have
estimated
> theft from retail stores costs the American public 33.21 billion
dollars per
> year. Depending on the type of retail store, retail inventory
shrinkage
> ranges from .7% - 2.2% of gross sales with the average falling around
1.70%.
> Whole retail store chains have gone out of business due to their
inability
> to control retail theft losses. And worse yet, the cost of these
losses are
> passed on to us...the consumer.
> Shoplifting losses will vary by store type, but can account for about
> one-third of the total inventory shrinkage.
Which means 2/3 of the theft (or more) is employee or
vendor-mediated... Seems to me they could be doing something a whole
lot more effective than having some kid look in my bag for two seconds
and mark my receipt with a marker - like, perhaps, addressing where the
real problem lies?
-L.
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| Dimitri |
"-L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote in message
news:1111594794.308107.233630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
>> Shoplifting losses will vary by store type, but can account for about
>
>> one-third of the total inventory shrinkage.
>
> Which means 2/3 of the theft (or more) is employee or
> vendor-mediated... Seems to me they could be doing something a whole
> lot more effective than having some kid look in my bag for two seconds
> and mark my receipt with a marker - like, perhaps, addressing where the
> real problem lies?
>
> -L.
Remember this is a commercial site selling the services and although the
numbers seem good on the surface you have to remember several factors;
1. The are talking about averages.
2. The type of the store is very very important and the loss percentages
vary greatly with the type of store.
3. Inventory Shrinkage is a complex and very broad definition. A grocery
clerk checks out a friend and charges him $1.54 for a $12.00 package of
steak. Is that shrinkage? How about the head chef taking a few fillets
home? The mom and pop store owner that pockets some sales without ringing
them up so he can have some tax free income. The bar owner that buys a good
customer a drink. The deli clerk that hands the kid a slice of bologna.
Which of these are shrinkage? All?
Dimitri
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| Dan Abel |
In article <thisisbogus-7993C4.09111323032005@news.individual.net>,
Melba's Jammin' <thisisbogus@macbogus.com> wrote:
> checking bags at the doors. (They check bags at the baseball stadium on
> the way in -- make sure there are no bombs or contraband beverages, I
> think).
Sadly enough, they want to make sure that you aren't bringing anything,
like a bottle or can, that could be thrown at the players. Since my wife
and I don't want to spend our life savings or take out a mortgage to buy
tickets, we are so far away from the field that if I could throw something
that far, I wouldn't be in the stands, I'd be on the pitching mound making
millions of bucks. Oddly enough, when I walk around and see people in the
expensive seats, the ones within easy throwing distance of the players,
they are all toting around bottles of beer!
--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS
dabel@sonic.net
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| Naomi |
x-no-archive: yes
I don't mind store employees talking to me! It's a refreshing change
from stores where employees walk by you holding up a hand to indicate
that they can't be approached. Maybe they're going on break or
something but hey, it's impossible to find things in some of these
stores and there are no employees in sight. I do shop at a supermarket
where one of the checkers is extremely talkative and will comment a lot
on the stuff you're buying. That's weird and intrusive but she doesn't
mean any harm and it doesn't seem to slow her down much; she's a quick,
efficient checker. If it keeps her from getting bored, whatever.
What I *really* don't like, though, is getting sales pitches. I stopped
going to GNC for vitamins because the employees seemed to be obliged to
try to sell you some stupid "savings" plan; indeed, I got the feeling
there was even a rule that they had to get you to refuse more than
once, maybe three times, before giving up. I went into a new vitamin
store just the other day, and the clerk started following me around
trying to pitch stuff. I finally said politely that I was sorry but I
didn't have time to listen to sales pitches. I will not be going in
there again. Do they really ever increase their business with that
crap? And now supermarket checkers are being made to hawk stuff to you
when you're checking out. ("Our Extreme Discount today is blah, blah.
Are you interested?")
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| P BEAR |
As one of the employees that works in one of those supermarkets, please
cut us some slack. The job market is quite fierce for some of us and we
do what we are told to keep our job. We try to be friendly and some of
us really do want to be helpful. I worked in a large bank for several
years and they are doing the same thing. The only difference is that
everytime you walk in there, they are trying to sell you the "service of
the week." This week checking accounts, next week charge cards, and on
and on and on.
Those of us little peons that work in the grocery store like to eat and
have a warm place to sleep also. We acquire those things by waiting on
rude people at ust barely minimum wage and most of us are part time
employees without benefits. So please cut the little person some slack.
After all, it is part of our job discription.
And have a nice day. :)*
He is not here, he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place
where he lay. Matthew 28:6
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| Melba's Jammin' |
In article <1111607982.710003.251830@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"Naomi" <darvell349@aol.com> wrote:
> What I *really* don't like, though, is getting sales pitches.
That's when I say, "Stop immediately or I'm out of here and you've lost
a customer." It works.
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Sweet Potato Follies added 2/24/05.
"I read recipes the way I read science fiction: I get to the end and
say,'Well, that's not going to happen.'" - Comedian Rita Rudner,
performance at New York, New York, January 10, 2005.
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| P BEAR |
It is not just a matter of stealing. In out store we have a regular
person or persons that come through and mash the donuts, slit open chip
bags and sugar bags. These vandals have even opened bakery cakes in the
freezer case and ran their fingers through the frosting. Those items
can't be sold. They are a loss for the market.
He is not here, he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place
where he lay. Matthew 28:6
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On 23 Mar 2005 07:56:11 -0800, "Sheldon" <PENMART01@aol.com> wrote:
>Shoplifting has been around a very long time only now with so many
>stores adopting a self-serve policy it's become far more prevalent, and
>with so many small expensive itmes curtailment has become increasingly
>difficult.
>
>Sheldon
One of my favorite pastimes has been "doing inventory"
at the local hardware store.
You browse the shelves, finding all sorts of solutions
present or future house problems.
More often than not, I'd come home with a sack full
of hardware and .... always another screwdriver.
But the local ACE store must have a shoplifter prob.
The employees follow you around..... constantly !
"Can I help you" ? "Looking for something?"
Turn too quickly, and you'll knock one over.
After the second or third visit, I gave up.
I don't go to that ACE store any more.
<rj>
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| Ginny Sher |
>
>I seek out the "invisible" people of this world, and try to smile and say
>hi. Most appreciate it. I know what it's like to feel invisible.
>
>Carol
Carol, over the past few years I've read almost al of your posts and I
say this with all sincerity. You are a very special human being and
we're all lucky to have you around.
Ginny
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| -L. |
Dimitri wrote:
> "-L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote in message
> news:1111594794.308107.233630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> <snip>
>
> >> Shoplifting losses will vary by store type, but can account for
about
> >
> >> one-third of the total inventory shrinkage.
> >
> > Which means 2/3 of the theft (or more) is employee or
> > vendor-mediated... Seems to me they could be doing something a
whole
> > lot more effective than having some kid look in my bag for two
seconds
> > and mark my receipt with a marker - like, perhaps, addressing where
the
> > real problem lies?
> >
> > -L.
>
> Remember this is a commercial site selling the services and although
the
> numbers seem good on the surface you have to remember several
factors;
>
> 1. The are talking about averages.
> 2. The type of the store is very very important and the loss
percentages
> vary greatly with the type of store.
> 3. Inventory Shrinkage is a complex and very broad definition. A
grocery
> clerk checks out a friend and charges him $1.54 for a $12.00 package
of
> steak. Is that shrinkage? How about the head chef taking a few
fillets
> home? The mom and pop store owner that pockets some sales without
ringing
> them up so he can have some tax free income. The bar owner that buys
a good
> customer a drink. The deli clerk that hands the kid a slice of
bologna.
> Which of these are shrinkage? All?
>
> Dimitri
Yes because they all affect the prices charged the consumer. Still
doesn't give the store owner the right to treat everyone as criminal.
It's part of the slippery slope of the erosion of personal rights in
this country.
-L.
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hubert liverman wrote:
> <snips>
> .
> The clerk, after checking us through a half dozen
> times, looked at Crash that night and asked where Carol was.
>
> .There is a small chain store here.We all know each other.I forgot my
check
> book They said"take it with you before things spoil". If I am ill,I
can send
> someone for me. I was there this morning, greeted by my name and
asked how
> I was. I had to ask where they had moved a couple of items and they
directed
> me to their exact place. Missy Carol is getting married and has asked
me to
> tune the piano in her Church for the Ceremony. Got It?
>
> Hubert Liverman
Why are you "got it"- ing to me? I didn't reply to anything you
posted. Lousy news server?
-L.
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<RJ> wrote:
>
> One of my favorite pastimes has been "doing inventory"
> at the local hardware store.
> You browse the shelves, finding all sorts of solutions
> present or future house problems.
> More often than not, I'd come home with a sack full
> of hardware and .... always another screwdriver.
>
> But the local ACE store must have a shoplifter prob.
> The employees follow you around..... constantly !
> "Can I help you" ? "Looking for something?"
> Turn too quickly, and you'll knock one over.
>
> After the second or third visit, I gave up.
> I don't go to that ACE store any more.
>
> <rj>
We don't support stores which behave similarly. It's ridiculous,
sometimes.
-L.
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| Terry Pulliam Burd |
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:22:06 GMT, Rhonda Anderson
<schumacher11@bigpond.com> wrote:
>More stores than not here have electronic gates as you go out the doors
>that should beep if you're absconding with merchandise (and haven't
>figured out how to remove the gizmo that beeps).
<snip>
I made it out of Macy's the other day with a dress that had had the
security tag removed, waltzed out the door and home. Started to try it
on again at home when I realized there was a *second* security tag on
it (???) - hadn't set off the buzzer at Macy's on my way out earlier
(???). Did when I came back to have the security tag removed today.
Buzzed big. No one turned their head, no one inquired as to what
caused the noise...just went up to a clerk with my receipt and told
'em what happened. End of story. <head shaking>
Wait a sec: if the buzzer didn't cause anyone to flinch and there's
this Dana Buchman outfit I really can't afford, maybe I oughta
try...or not <g>
Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA
"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."
-- Duncan Hines
To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"
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| Dave Smith |
Dimitri wrote:
> I'm glad that steps are being taken to curtail shoplifting, not only
> don't I mind the security checks at the door, I welcome the practice...=
> things like printer ink cartridges are expensive enough, I don't want
> to be forced to also pay for those taken by thieves. The stores call
> shoplifting losses "shrinkage", which is paid for by the honest
> customers in the form of higher prices... I recently read that average
> stupidmarket shrinkage is now at about 25%... which amounts to about a
> 50% increase over the past 5 years. When you note higher food prices
> it's not so much that the items cost more, it's mostly to cover the
> cost of shrinkage... each time someone swipes something from the
> non-prescription drug asisle the price of bread increases... do you
> really think that loaf of bread should cost the same as a toothbrush,
> you're paying $3 a loaf to cover the stolen toothbrushes that normally
> sell for $3 but actually cost only 10=A2. Shrinkage also encompasses
> items stolen by store employees, another large segment.
I worked part time at in a department store while still a student. During=
the
time I worked there a local newspaper wrote an article about shoplifting =
and
relied heavily on their interview with the security staff of our store. T=
hey
told the reporters that most shoplifters were 14-16 years of age. To the=
best
of their knowledge, that was probably true, because those who the thieves=
they
were able to detect and catch.
The security staff reported to the store's assistant manager, a beady eye=
d
little weasel who I never cared much for. It seems that his security sta=
ff got
a little better than he had thought they were. They caught him with a wh=
o car
full of stuff one night. He had pulled his car up to a loading bay and w=
as
filling it up with his loot when they caught him.
The biggest thieves are sometimes the employees. Ever notice the locatio=
n of
security cameras in stores, pizza joints and donut shops. They are direct=
ed at
the till and the employees.
Shrinkage is more than just the stuff that is stolen. It includes defect=
ive
items, items returned in bad shape, items damaged in the store. I worked=
in
Sporting Goods, Seasonal, and Toy Departments. When people are looking f=
or
green Christmas tree bulbs they will tear open packages and switch the bu=
lbs
around. The rest of them end up as shrinkage. People open up packages to=
see
what the product looks like, and then they take an unopened box instead o=
f the
one they opened. The opened product usually ends up shrinkage.
The worst was the toy department at Christmas. Parents send their kids in=
to
play while they are out doing their shopping. The kids would open up boxe=
s and
play with the toys inside. Sometimes the toys ended up back in the box, b=
ut most
often they did not, and that box and its contents were.... shrinkage.
Someone opens up a package of sheets that won't fit back into the packagi=
ng....
shrinkage. A shopping cart bumps into a stack of glasses or dishes....
shrinkage. A clerk needs tools to assemble a bicycle or a BBQ.... shrinka=
ge.
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| Melba's Jammin' |
In article <s3b441h3vkjj7t2n4etg1dk6jqfke0tr0o@4ax.com>, Terry Pulliam
Burd <ntpulliam@spaminator.net> wrote:
>
> Wait a sec: if the buzzer didn't cause anyone to flinch and there's
> this Dana Buchman outfit I really can't afford, maybe I oughta
> try...or not <g>
Go for it. How do you like your chicken soup? And what ARE the
visiting hours?
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Sweet Potato Follies added 2/24/05.
"I read recipes the way I read science fiction: I get to the end and
say,'Well, that's not going to happen.'" - Comedian Rita Rudner,
performance at New York, New York, January 10, 2005.
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Naomi wrote:
>
> What I *really* don't like, though, is getting sales pitches.
EVERY time I'm in our local KMart (whihc is a lot since I get my Rx
there) someone approaches me to sign up for their "contest" to win
windows for my house. It's to the point where I just start laughing
when they walk up. Sometimes the same person will approach me 3 or 4
times.
-L.
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| Rhonda Anderson |
Melba's Jammin' <thisisbogus@macbogus.com> wrote in
news:thisisbogus-7993C4.09111323032005@news.individual.net:
> In article <Xns9622E3888C2ECschumacher11bigpondc@61.9.191.5>, Rhonda
> Anderson <schumacher11@bigpond.com> wrote:
> (snip)
>> More stores than not here have electronic gates as you go out the
>> doors that should beep if you're absconding with merchandise (and
>> haven't figured out how to remove the gizmo that beeps). Even the
>> supermarket I use has these at each checkout, as do most large chain
>> stores. In addition, most large chain stores (e.g. Target)
>
> Is that my red and white bullseye logo Target store? If so, wow!
> They don't do that here! They've got the electronic gates, but no one
> checking bags at the doors. (They check bags at the baseball stadium
> on the way in -- make sure there are no bombs or contraband beverages,
> I think).
Target has a red and white bullseye logo, yes. I don't know if it's owned
by the same company as the US Target. With both having the same logo, I
suspect it probably is.
There was an announcement here recently from one of the cinema chains,
stating that they would be enforcing their regulation that the only food
that could be brought into their cinemas was that which had been bought
at their candy bar. I wondered at the time if they were going to start
checking bags as patrons entered. Don't know, as the cinema in Penrith is
part of a different chain (they don't mind if you bought food elsewhere
as long as it's not hot food, and no glass bottles). Cinema candy bars
charge exorbitant amounts for popcorn, drinks, icecreams, lollies - so I
usually take my own.
Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australai
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| Melba's Jammin' |
In article <Xns9623C52CED1FEschumacher11bigpondc@61.9.191.5>, Rhonda
Anderson <schumacher11@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is that my red and white bullseye logo Target store?
> Target has a red and white bullseye logo, yes. I don't know if it's owned
> by the same company as the US Target. With both having the same logo, I
> suspect it probably is.
>
>(snip) Cinema candy bars charge exorbitant amounts for popcorn,
>drinks, icecreams, lollies - so I usually take my own.
> Rhonda Anderson
> Cranebrook, NSW, Australai
And I always cough loudly when I open my can of TaB. :-)
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Sweet Potato Follies added 2/24/05.
"I read recipes the way I read science fiction: I get to the end and
say,'Well, that's not going to happen.'" - Comedian Rita Rudner,
performance at New York, New York, January 10, 2005.
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| Dog3 |
"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
news:Dy50e.23529$hU7.8993@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
>
> "Dog3" <uhoh@ajfl;ajklsd;ajlds.nutz> wrote in message
>>> Try a sly wink and a kissy face in the direction of the false
>>> sincerity.....usually scares the hell out of them, especially if they
>>> are younglings and you are, alas, a middle aged, slightly lumpy
>>> adult....makes them wonder what they started and probably couldn't
>>> stop. -Ginny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ROFLMAO... This just might work. Too funny.
>>
>> Michael
>
>
> I'd try it myself, but the guy might just wink back at me.
I've winked at many men and they've been flattered ;) Just not str8 men,
well some str8 dudes have been flattered but not too many.
Ob Food:
Tis time for breakfast:
Eggs over easy, 1 slice of bacon and tater tots.
Michael
--
Opinions founded on prejudice are always sustained with the greatest
violence.
-- Hebrew proverb
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| Wayne Boatwright |
On Thu 24 Mar 2005 07:25:11a, Dog3 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
> news:Dy50e.23529$hU7.8993@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
>
>>
>> "Dog3" <uhoh@ajfl;ajklsd;ajlds.nutz> wrote in message
>>>> Try a sly wink and a kissy face in the direction of the false
>>>> sincerity.....usually scares the hell out of them, especially if they
>>>> are younglings and you are, alas, a middle aged, slightly lumpy
>>>> adult....makes them wonder what they started and probably couldn't
>>>> stop. -Ginny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ROFLMAO... This just might work. Too funny.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>
>>
>> I'd try it myself, but the guy might just wink back at me.
>
> I've winked at many men and they've been flattered ;) Just not str8 men,
> well some str8 dudes have been flattered but not too many.
>
> Ob Food:
>
> Tis time for breakfast:
>
> Eggs over easy, 1 slice of bacon and tater tots.
>
> Michael
>
What is the fascination with tater tots? Many people like them. I can't
stand them.
--
Wayne Boatwright
____________________________________________
Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974
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| Dog3 |
Rhonda Anderson <schumacher11@bigpond.com> wrote in
news:Xns9622E3888C2ECschumacher11bigpondc@61.9.191.5:
> "-L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote in news:1111566343.225508.97120
> @l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>> What I hate worse are the stores who have snot-nosed kids standing at
>> the exit door to check your bags and recipts to make sure you don't
>> have stolen goods in them (Fry's, best Buy, etc.).
>
> More stores than not here have electronic gates as you go out the
> doors that should beep if you're absconding with merchandise (and
> haven't figured out how to remove the gizmo that beeps). Even the
> supermarket I use has these at each checkout, as do most large chain
> stores. In addition, most large chain stores (e.g. Target) have
> someone standing at the exit to the store to check bags. The cashiers
> can also ask to check bags.
>
> Each state has a bag check code of practice.For NSW it's here -
>
> http://www.ara.com.au/aransw/Bag_Check.pdf
>
> If the store forewarns you that it is a policy to check bags (usually
> worded that it is a condition of entry to the store to allow this)
> then they can ask to check your bag, and if you refuse they can ask
> you to leave the store and not return until you comply with the
> conditions of entry. They can't check personal handbags smaller than
> an A4 sheet of paper unless they have reason to believe you're
> concealing something, they can't touch the bag themselves to move
> anything etc. The majority of stores have signs advising it is their
> policy to check bags.
>
> I've just become used to it and automatically open my bag on the way
> out of stores like Target or Big W etc. Much of the time it's a very
> cursory glance.
>
>
> Rhonda Anderson
> Cranebrook, NSW, Australia
>
>
OMG, I don't think I've ever been to a store like that. Straubs and
Dierbergs never check your bags. I also know Aldis and Shop and Save do
not, at least here. Sam's Club does check the bags. When you leave the
store they do check the receipt and the bags. Like I'm gonna steal
merchandise. I suppose lots of people try. I don't, I just want to get out.
How bizarre.
Michael
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Opinions founded on prejudice are always sustained with the greatest
violence.
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| Dimitri |
"-L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote in message
<snip>
>> 1. The are talking about averages.
>> 2. The type of the store is very very important and the loss
> percentages
>> vary greatly with the type of store.
>> 3. Inventory Shrinkage is a complex and very broad definition. A
> grocery
>> clerk checks out a friend and charges him $1.54 for a $12.00 package
> of
>> steak. Is that shrinkage? How about the head chef taking a few
> fillets
>> home? The mom and pop store owner that pockets some sales without
> ringing
>> them up so he can have some tax free income. The bar owner that buys
> a good
>> customer a drink. The deli clerk that hands the kid a slice of
> bologna.
>> Which of these are shrinkage? All?
>>
>> Dimitri
>
>
>
> Yes because they all affect the prices charged the consumer. Still
> doesn't give the store owner the right to treat everyone as criminal.
> It's part of the slippery slope of the erosion of personal rights in
> this country.
>
> -L.
Oh yes it does as long as his store is private property.
This is still a free country and you have freedom of choice. You are free
not to patronize any private establishment. And that is a absolute RIGHT!
What are you thinking of? Where is the rights of the OWNER?
Whew!
Dimitri
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| Dave Smith |
Dimitri wrote:
> 3. Inventory Shrinkage is a complex and very broad definition. A grocery
> clerk checks out a friend and charges him $1.54 for a $12.00 package of
> steak. Is that shrinkage? How about the head chef taking a few fillets
> home? The mom and pop store owner that pockets some sales without ringing
Now there is an item that has to be a major factor in reported shrinkage. There
is a certain type of corner store where the owners rarely ring up sales.
Sometimes they go through the motions of entering the sales into the register
but they never ring it up completely. They probably ring up 25% of their actual
sales. That makes it look like there is a hell of a lot more shrinkage than
there really is. Not only are they not paying taxes on their profits, but they
have been charging sales tax to their customers and re pocketing that.
For some reason, our provincial tax payers are reluctant to go in and
investigate complaints when you refer to them as Korean corner stores. You have
to name them specifically.
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| Dog3 |
Wayne Boatwright <waynesgang@waynes.gang> wrote in
news:Xns96234C4925B63waynesgang@81.174.12.30:
> On Thu 24 Mar 2005 07:25:11a, Dog3 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
>> news:Dy50e.23529$hU7.8993@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
>>
>>>
>>> "Dog3" <uhoh@ajfl;ajklsd;ajlds.nutz> wrote in message
>>>>> Try a sly wink and a kissy face in the direction of the false
>>>>> sincerity.....usually scares the hell out of them, especially if
>>>>> they are younglings and you are, alas, a middle aged, slightly
>>>>> lumpy adult....makes them wonder what they started and probably
>>>>> couldn't stop. -Ginny
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ROFLMAO... This just might work. Too funny.
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd try it myself, but the guy might just wink back at me.
>>
>> I've winked at many men and they've been flattered ;) Just not str8
>> men, well some str8 dudes have been flattered but not too many.
>>
>> Ob Food:
>>
>> Tis time for breakfast:
>>
>> Eggs over easy, 1 slice of bacon and tater tots.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>
> What is the fascination with tater tots? Many people like them. I
> can't stand them.
>
Tater tots are easier to do than hash browned potatoes. For a quick
breakfast, tater tots are easier. Besides, I smother 'em in gravy.
Michael
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Opinions founded on prejudice are always sustained with the greatest
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| Wayne Boatwright |
On Thu 24 Mar 2005 10:37:55a, Dog3 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> Wayne Boatwright <waynesgang@waynes.gang> wrote in
> news:Xns96234C4925B63waynesgang@81.174.12.30:
>
>> On Thu 24 Mar 2005 07:25:11a, Dog3 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
>>> news:Dy50e.23529$hU7.8993@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dog3" <uhoh@ajfl;ajklsd;ajlds.nutz> wrote in message
>>>>>> Try a sly wink and a kissy face in the direction of the false
>>>>>> sincerity.....usually scares the hell out of them, especially if
>>>>>> they are younglings and you are, alas, a middle aged, slightly
>>>>>> lumpy adult....makes them wonder what they started and probably
>>>>>> couldn't stop. -Ginny
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ROFLMAO... This just might work. Too funny.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd try it myself, but the guy might just wink back at me.
>>>
>>> I've winked at many men and they've been flattered ;) Just not str8
>>> men, well some str8 dudes have been flattered but not too many.
>>>
>>> Ob Food:
>>>
>>> Tis time for breakfast:
>>>
>>> Eggs over easy, 1 slice of bacon and tater tots.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>
>> What is the fascination with tater tots? Many people like them. I
>> can't stand them.
>>
>
> Tater tots are easier to do than hash browned potatoes. For a quick
> breakfast, tater tots are easier. Besides, I smother 'em in gravy.
>
> Michael
>
LOL! Gravy...that's even worse! <g> Never understood why anyone put gravy
on something crisp.
--
Wayne Boatwright
____________________________________________
Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974
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| Sheldon |
Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> Dog3 wrote :
> > Tater tots are easier to do than hash browned potatoes. For a quick
> > breakfast, tater tots are easier. Besides, I smother 'em in gravy.
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
> LOL! Gravy...that's even worse! <g> Never understood why anyone put
gravy
> on something crisp.
>
> Wayne Boatwright
I like sour cream on crispy potato latkes... is sour cream considered
gravy?
Sheldon
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| Dimitri |
"Dave Smith" <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4242E8DA.43D1FA76@sympatico.ca...
> Dimitri wrote:
>
>> 3. Inventory Shrinkage is a complex and very broad definition. A
>> grocery
>> clerk checks out a friend and charges him $1.54 for a $12.00 package of
>> steak. Is that shrinkage? How about the head chef taking a few fillets
>> home? The mom and pop store owner that pockets some sales without
>> ringing
>
> Now there is an item that has to be a major factor in reported shrinkage.
> There
> is a certain type of corner store where the owners rarely ring up sales.
> Sometimes they go through the motions of entering the sales into the
> register
> but they never ring it up completely. They probably ring up 25% of their
> actual
> sales. That makes it look like there is a hell of a lot more shrinkage
> than
> there really is. Not only are they not paying taxes on their profits, but
> they
> have been charging sales tax to their customers and re pocketing that.
>
> For some reason, our provincial tax payers are reluctant to go in and
> investigate complaints when you refer to them as Korean corner stores. You
> have
> to name them specifically.
Not to practice one-ups-man-ship many years ago there was a wholesaler -
(location and industry guarded) who on the weekends operated a "cash and
carry business for church organizations etc. for some reason the "sales"
were reported as "shrinkage" and some people went to Federal Prison for, you
guessed it, income Tax Evasion.
Dimitri
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| Mad Dan |
Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> LOL! Gravy...that's even worse! <g> Never understood why anyone put
gravy
> on something crisp.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright
Because not everybody has exactly the same tastes as you? How's that
for a reason? Good enough?
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| Melba's Jammin' |
In article <1111689515.427504.77190@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Sheldon" <PENMART01@aol.com> wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
(snip)
> > LOL! Gravy...that's even worse! <g> Never understood why anyone
> > put gravy on something crisp.
> >
> > Wayne Boatwright
>
> I like sour cream on crispy potato latkes... is sour cream considered
> gravy?
>
> Sheldon
No. Not even close. Not even if you've stirred it to soup.
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Arizona vacation pics added 3-24-05.
"I read recipes the way I read science fiction: I get to the end and
say,'Well, that's not going to happen.'" - Comedian Rita Rudner,
performance at New York, New York, January 10, 2005.
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| Wayne Boatwright |
On Thu 24 Mar 2005 04:52:43p, Mad Dan wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> LOL! Gravy...that's even worse! <g> Never understood why anyone put
>> gravy on something crisp.
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>
>
> Because not everybody has exactly the same tastes as you? How's that
> for a reason? Good enough?
Smartass! I never said they had to.
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Wayne Boatwright
____________________________________________
Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974
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| Wayne Boatwright |
On Thu 24 Mar 2005 05:17:59p, Melba's Jammin' wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> In article <1111689515.427504.77190@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "Sheldon" <PENMART01@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> (snip)
>> > LOL! Gravy...that's even worse! <g> Never understood why anyone
>> > put gravy on something crisp.
>> >
>> > Wayne Boatwright
>>
>> I like sour cream on crispy potato latkes... is sour cream considered
>> gravy?
>>
>> Sheldon
>
> No. Not even close. Not even if you've stirred it to soup.
I love sour cream on potato latkes!
--
Wayne Boatwright
____________________________________________
Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974
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| Terry Pulliam Burd |
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:31:32 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
<thisisbogus@macbogus.com> wrote:
>In article <s3b441h3vkjj7t2n4etg1dk6jqfke0tr0o@4ax.com>, Terry Pulliam
>Burd <ntpulliam@spaminator.net> wrote:
>>
>> Wait a sec: if the buzzer didn't cause anyone to flinch and there's
>> this Dana Buchman outfit I really can't afford, maybe I oughta
>> try...or not <g>
>
>Go for it. How do you like your chicken soup? And what ARE the
>visiting hours?
Uh, can you put a file in that soup, please?
Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA
"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."
-- Duncan Hines
To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"
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| Terry Pulliam Burd |
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:37:55 GMT, Dog3 <uhoh@ajfl;ajklsd;ajlds.nutz>
wrote:
>Tater tots are easier to do than hash browned potatoes. For a quick
>breakfast, tater tots are easier. Besides, I smother 'em in gravy.
>
The DH's "comfort food" fried potatoes are the ones where I scrub an
Idaho, slice it thin with its skin on (mandoline-perfect), fry 'em in
bacon grease with S & P. OTOH, I think I could have gotten him to
propose sooner if I'd just used eau de bacon perfume! The man does
love his bacon!
Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA
"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."
-- Duncan Hines
To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"
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| Damsel in dis Dress |
Terry Pulliam Burd <ntpulliam@spaminator.net>, if that's their real name,
wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:31:32 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
><thisisbogus@macbogus.com> wrote:
>
>>Go for it. How do you like your chicken soup? And what ARE the
>>visiting hours?
>
>Uh, can you put a file in that soup, please?
GROOOOOOOOOOOOOAN!
Good one! ;)
Carol
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Coming at you live, from beautiful Lake Woebegon
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| Terry Pulliam Burd |
On 25 Mar 2005 02:30:33 +0100, Wayne Boatwright
<waynesgang@waynes.gang> wrote:
>I love sour cream on potato latkes!
After years of searching, I finally found the *perfect* potato latkes
recipe - crispy, crispy, crispy - absolutely perfect every time. The
secret is getting as much moisture out of the potatoes as possible:
@@@@@ Now You're Cooking! Export Format
Potato Latkes
vegetables
4 medium potatoes; peeled
2 large yellow onions
4 large eggs; lightly beaten
1/3 cup matzo meal
2 teaspoons salt
pepper; to taste
3/4 cup peanut oil
Using medium shredding blade of food processor, grate the potatoes,
laying them horizontally in the feed tube to maximize the strand
length. Grate the onions on top of the potatoes. The onions will turn
to mush and their juices will help keep the potatoes from turning
brown.
Lay a clean dishtowel inside a large bowl and transfer the grated
mixture into the towel. Roll the towel lengthwise and wring out as
much liquid as possible (you can do this over the bowl, discarding the
liquid, or right over the sink). Depending on the size of the towel,
you may have to do this in batches.
Transfer the grated mixture to a mixing bowl. Add the eggs, matzo
meal, salt and pepper; mix well.
In a large cast-iron or nonstick skillet, pour about 1/8" of oil and
heat on medium high. The oil is hot enough when a piece of potato
sizzles when added. Form a trial latke with a tablespoon of the
mixture. Fry until golden brown on both sides. Taste and, if needed,
add salt and pepper to the potato mixture.
To form the latkes, scoop up about 1/2 C. of the mixture with your
hands and loosely pat it into a pancake about 1/2" thick, leaving a
few straggly strands along the edge. (As you work, liquid will
accumulate in the bowl. Squeeze out the excess. The last couple of
latkes may need a really firm squeeze.) after shaping each latke, slip
it into the hot oil and flatten it gently with the back of a spatula.
Fry until deep golden brown, at least 5 mins. on each side to be sure
the center is fully cooked. If the edges darken very quickly, lower
the heat. To prevent excess oil absorption, flip each latke only once.
Add oil between batches as needed, making sure the oil heats up again
before frying more latkes. Drain on paper towels or a clean brown
paper bag. Serve immediately.
May be rejeated in a 300F oven. Set the latkes directly on the oven
rack and back 8 - 10 mins.
Contributor: Fine Cooking Magazine
Yield: 8 servings
Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA
"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."
-- Duncan Hines
To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"
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| Wayne Boatwright |
On Thu 24 Mar 2005 07:35:42p, Terry Pulliam Burd wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> On 25 Mar 2005 02:30:33 +0100, Wayne Boatwright
> <waynesgang@waynes.gang> wrote:
>
>>I love sour cream on potato latkes!
>
> After years of searching, I finally found the *perfect* potato latkes
> recipe - crispy, crispy, crispy - absolutely perfect every time. The
> secret is getting as much moisture out of the potatoes as possible:
>
> @@@@@ Now You're Cooking! Export Format
>
> Potato Latkes
>
> vegetables
>
> 4 medium potatoes; peeled
> 2 large yellow onions
> 4 large eggs; lightly beaten
> 1/3 cup matzo meal
> 2 teaspoons salt
> pepper; to taste
> 3/4 cup peanut oil
>
> Using medium shredding blade of food processor, grate the potatoes,
> laying them horizontally in the feed tube to maximize the strand
> length. Grate the onions on top of the potatoes. The onions will turn
> to mush and their juices will help keep the potatoes from turning
> brown.
>
> Lay a clean dishtowel inside a large bowl and transfer the grated
> mixture into the towel. Roll the towel lengthwise and wring out as
> much liquid as possible (you can do this over the bowl, discarding the
> liquid, or right over the sink). Depending on the size of the towel,
> you may have to do this in batches.
>
> Transfer the grated mixture to a mixing bowl. Add the eggs, matzo
> meal, salt and pepper; mix well.
>
> In a large cast-iron or nonstick skillet, pour about 1/8" of oil and
> heat on medium high. The oil is hot enough when a piece of potato
> sizzles when added. Form a trial latke with a tablespoon of the
> mixture. Fry until golden brown on both sides. Taste and, if needed,
> add salt and pepper to the potato mixture.
>
> To form the latkes, scoop up about 1/2 C. of the mixture with your
> hands and loosely pat it into a pancake about 1/2" thick, leaving a
> few straggly strands along the edge. (As you work, liquid will
> accumulate in the bowl. Squeeze out the excess. The last couple of
> latkes may need a really firm squeeze.) after shaping each latke, slip
> it into the hot oil and flatten it gently with the back of a spatula.
> Fry until deep golden brown, at least 5 mins. on each side to be sure
> the center is fully cooked. If the edges darken very quickly, lower
> the heat. To prevent excess oil absorption, flip each latke only once.
> Add oil between batches as needed, making sure the oil heats up again
> before frying more latkes. Drain on paper towels or a clean brown
> paper bag. Serve immediately.
>
> May be rejeated in a 300F oven. Set the latkes directly on the oven
> rack and back 8 - 10 mins.
>
> Contributor: Fine Cooking Magazine
>
> Yield: 8 servings
Thanks for posting this, Terry. Will have to try this one.
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Wayne Boatwright
____________________________________________
Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974
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| Melba's Jammin' |
In article <9pt64150g1v5037sdmt2o621fgbvsja120@4ax.com>, Terry Pulliam
Burd <ntpulliam@spaminator.net> wrote:
(snippage)
> >> Wait a sec: if the buzzer didn't cause anyone to flinch and there's
> >> this Dana Buchman outfit I really can't afford, maybe I oughta
> >> try...or not <g>
> >Go for it. How do you like your chicken soup? And what ARE the
> >visiting hours?
>
> Uh, can you put a file in that soup, please?
Your command is my wish. You'll want to be checking the chocolate cake,
too.
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
> AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA
--
-Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Arizona vacation pics added 3-24-05.
"I read recipes the way I read science fiction: I get to the end and
say,'Well, that's not going to happen.'" - Comedian Rita Rudner,
performance at New York, New York, January 10, 2005.
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