| Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD |
Quite the diatribe there, dear Bob.
Perhaps your radio show listeners would enjoy hearing you read it on the
air someday. It is very entertaining (to me anyway :-).
Reminds me of the following story by Reverend Nick Shaffer:
The story is told of a man who got a permit to open the first tavern
in a small town. The members of a local church were strongly opposed to
the bar, so they began to pray that God would intervene. A few days
before the tavern was scheduled to open, lightning hits the structure
and it burned to the ground. The people of the church were surprised
but pleased -- until they received notice that the would-be tavern owner
was suing them. He contended that their prayers were responsible for
the burning of the building. They denied the charge. At the conclusion
of the preliminary hearing, the judge wryly remarked, "At this point I
don't know what my decision will be, but it seems that the tavern owner
believes in the power of prayer and these church people don't." Do you
believe in the power of God?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A
The way to the truth is straight and narrow:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A
You remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Lord Jesus Christ's
most holy and precious name.
May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.
Here's how:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)
Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.
Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome thereby
bringing this thread back on topic for the medical newsgroups :-)
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
At His service,
Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
**
Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2A821CEA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
"Bob (this one)" wrote:
>
> Jeff wrote:
> > "Don Kirkman" <donkirk@covad.net> wrote in message
> > news:fptf61516m7lofng8j5tbusle5ri7cvtul@4ax.com...
> >
> >>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> >>article <4267180E.46B8011E@heartmdphd.com>:
> >>
> >>>Jeff wrote:
> >>
> >>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:4266C5AD.CF2B59AE@heartmdphd.com...
> >>>>(...)
> >>
> >>>>>... and Dr. Chung's office... and in the homes of more than 625,550
> >>>>>people who have had more than 5 years experience with the 2PD-OMER
> >>>>>Approach...
> >>
> >>>>With this much experience, I am surprised you haven't published your
> >>>>diet yet.
> >>
> >>>The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
> >>
> >>Is it the recent addition of the supposed 32-oz omer that changed it?
> >>
> >>[Begin]
> >>
> >>Message-ID: <3CBB1E4B.212F12FF@heartmdphd.com>
> >>Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:39:07 -0400
> >>
> >>So far hundreds have informed me that they are finding success with
> >>the two pound diet. None report failure and none report nutritional
> >>deficiencies.
> >>[End]
> >>
> >>It was not yet hundreds of thousands of satisfied users, I presume.
> >>
> >>But the change from "diet" to "approach" must not have depended on the
> >>omer, since the omer was still missing in February, 2004:
> >>
> >>[Begin]
> >>Message-ID: <402165AC.2B61E26A@heartmdphd.com>
> >>Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:35:40 -0500
> >>
> >>This discussion(s) is related to the 2 pound diet approach (2PD) which
> >>is described completely at . . . .
> >>[End]
> >>
> >>That arouses my curiosity; how could those 625,550 people have been on
> >>the 2PD-omer diet for five years when the omer stipulation was just
> >>added recently, perhaps earlier this year? The first Google hit on
> >>that key is February 13, 2005. Were the subjects on a different diet,
> >>or does the addition of "omer" make absolutely no difference except
> >>some supposed religious support for the diet and its author?
> >>
> >>And how many were in your control group?
> >
> >
> > It is a diet, because it is what you eat.
> >
> > I question whether it is really an approach, because important parts of a
> > healthy lifestyle, like excercise and not doing stupid things like smoking
> > and driving without seatbelts are not inculded.
>
> That's never been part of it. In fact, Chung has stated on many
> occasions, in other words, that exercise isn't useful. Any peripheral
> issues used to be where that "common sense" (undefined by Chung) entered
> the equation in the early propagandizing, until he realized that he was
> giving medical advice online and liable. Then the do-it-yourself,
> "common sense" business went away and it became "see your doctor."
>
> It's evolved from a good idea to THE *right* amount (emphases added) and
> has suddenly acquired (wholly spurious) biblical support. His
> deliberate flaunting of the correct quantity of the omer to suit his
> efforts at annoyance are merely more of the same sorts of acts he has
> put on in recent time merely to disconcert people. In crass, street
> terms, he does mind****s. He has no real interest in convincing anyone
> of anything. He has no real interest in hearing anything but that which
> he already believes. His positions have become progressively more
> extreme, more distant from science and its methods, to the opposite pole
> of absolute, unquestioning belief in untestable and unprovable articles
> of faith, to the complete exclusion of information that has been tested
> and retested in the crucible of the empirical.
>
> His whole insistence that there was a global flood all geological
> evidence to the contrary and the actual existence of "Eve" as the
> progenitor of *all* humans is serious enough. But to say that there has
> been no evolution and that there is no evolution now is simply stunning
> in someone who has studied comparative anatomy.
>
> That whole transition to "divine" endorsement of an incomplete dietary
> idea, his use of quotes around material that aren't really quotations,
> top posting, deciding of late that the 2 Pound Diet isn't a diet, his
> denying that he's the author of the Chung FAQ and owner of the site when
> the writing style is pure Chungish, "misunderstanding" what people post
> and asking obtuse questions, and many other obvious behaviors - at least
> antisocial, on up to the sociopathic - are just his way of thumbing his
> nose at everyone who raises even the most trivial question about
> anything he posts.
>
> Chung claims not to be engaged in combat - that he loves his neighbors
> and shows it in his actions - but in the past few days he has talked
> about defeating people in this "debate" postings. Chung's in it for the
> zero-sum game. He always "wins" the contest, even when others don't know
> they're in a contest. So much of how posting is filled with undeserved
> scorn and spiteful posturing.
>
> There is really no point in trying to engage him in rational discourse.
> He hasn't the integrity to participate with anything but a desire for
> emerging triumphant. He invites disagreement with his extreme tactics
> and then seems to actually believe that he's being pressured for his
> religious beliefs rather than his vile actions. Everything documents -
> to him - that he's doing God's work; the cloak he hides behind to excuse
> his demented abuses. There is no interaction with fanatics; they only
> want an audience to proselytize at and preen before.
>
> It may well be that some of his technical information could be valuable,
> but the entire framework of his presence is deceitful, evasive and
> combative. Putting the technical information into the setting where he
> feels the need to be triumphant should certainly set off alarms about
> whether the information he provides would be different if he liked you
> or disliked you.
>
> Pastorio
|
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| Jeff |
I think you have the wrong forum. This has absolutely nothing to do with
science, medicine or cardiology.
Jeff
|
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| Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD |
Jeff wrote:
>
> I think you have the wrong forum. This has absolutely nothing to do with
> science, medicine or cardiology.
That would be your judgment and not the Lord's.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?D3DE219AA
About the truth:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A
The way to the truth is straight and narrow:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A
You will remain in my prayers, dear Jeff, whom I love, in Lord Christ's
holy name.
May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.
Here's how:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)
Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.
Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome(MetS)
thereby bringing this thread back on topic :-)
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
At His service,
Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
**
Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2A821CEA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
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| Shaun aRe |
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:4268DDDA.C46FE06C@heartmdphd.com...
> Jeff wrote:
> >
> > I think you have the wrong forum. This has absolutely nothing to do with
> > science, medicine or cardiology.
>
> That would be your judgment and not the Lord's.
The LordŽT would like you to know that he has judged you to be a filthy low
down scum sucking gutter dwelling pig poking spammer from the slime pits of
****wit'sville, and that you chose the wrong religion. HTH.
Shaun aRe
--
Life is the dream you wake up to.
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| gp |
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:42688FE1.6C6AC90B@heartmdphd.com...
> Quite the diatribe there, dear Bob.
>
> Perhaps your radio show listeners would enjoy hearing you read it on the
> air someday. It is very entertaining (to me anyway :-).
>
> Reminds me of the following story by Reverend Nick Shaffer:
>
> The story is told of a man who got a permit to open the first tavern
> in a small town. The members of a local church were strongly opposed to
> the bar, so they began to pray that God would intervene. A few days
> before the tavern was scheduled to open, lightning hits the structure
> and it burned to the ground. The people of the church were surprised
> but pleased -- until they received notice that the would-be tavern owner
> was suing them. He contended that their prayers were responsible for
> the burning of the building. They denied the charge. At the conclusion
> of the preliminary hearing, the judge wryly remarked, "At this point I
> don't know what my decision will be, but it seems that the tavern owner
> believes in the power of prayer and these church people don't." Do you
> believe in the power of God?
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A
>
> The way to the truth is straight and narrow:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A
>
> You remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Lord Jesus Christ's
> most holy and precious name.
>
> May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
> Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
> fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.
>
> Here's how:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
>
> Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
> the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
> is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
> arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
> Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
> 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
> His presence known here on Usenet :-)
>
> Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
> oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
> "omer" literally means in Hebrew.
>
> Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome thereby
> bringing this thread back on topic for the medical newsgroups :-)
>
> http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
>
> At His service,
>
> Andrew
>
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-Certified Cardiologist
>
>
> **
> Suggested Reading:
>
> (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
> (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2A821CEA
> (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
> (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
> (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
> (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
> (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
>
> "Bob (this one)" wrote:
>>
>> Jeff wrote:
>> > "Don Kirkman" <donkirk@covad.net> wrote in message
>> > news:fptf61516m7lofng8j5tbusle5ri7cvtul@4ax.com...
>> >
>> >>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
>> >>article <4267180E.46B8011E@heartmdphd.com>:
>> >>
>> >>>Jeff wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:4266C5AD.CF2B59AE@heartmdphd.com...
>> >>>>(...)
>> >>
>> >>>>>... and Dr. Chung's office... and in the homes of more than 625,550
>> >>>>>people who have had more than 5 years experience with the 2PD-OMER
>> >>>>>Approach...
>> >>
>> >>>>With this much experience, I am surprised you haven't published your
>> >>>>diet yet.
>> >>
>> >>>The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>> >>
>> >>Is it the recent addition of the supposed 32-oz omer that changed it?
>> >>
>> >>[Begin]
>> >>
>> >>Message-ID: <3CBB1E4B.212F12FF@heartmdphd.com>
>> >>Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:39:07 -0400
>> >>
>> >>So far hundreds have informed me that they are finding success with
>> >>the two pound diet. None report failure and none report nutritional
>> >>deficiencies.
>> >>[End]
>> >>
>> >>It was not yet hundreds of thousands of satisfied users, I presume.
>> >>
>> >>But the change from "diet" to "approach" must not have depended on the
>> >>omer, since the omer was still missing in February, 2004:
>> >>
>> >>[Begin]
>> >>Message-ID: <402165AC.2B61E26A@heartmdphd.com>
>> >>Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:35:40 -0500
>> >>
>> >>This discussion(s) is related to the 2 pound diet approach (2PD) which
>> >>is described completely at . . . .
>> >>[End]
>> >>
>> >>That arouses my curiosity; how could those 625,550 people have been on
>> >>the 2PD-omer diet for five years when the omer stipulation was just
>> >>added recently, perhaps earlier this year? The first Google hit on
>> >>that key is February 13, 2005. Were the subjects on a different diet,
>> >>or does the addition of "omer" make absolutely no difference except
>> >>some supposed religious support for the diet and its author?
>> >>
>> >>And how many were in your control group?
>> >
>> >
>> > It is a diet, because it is what you eat.
>> >
>> > I question whether it is really an approach, because important parts of
>> > a
>> > healthy lifestyle, like excercise and not doing stupid things like
>> > smoking
>> > and driving without seatbelts are not inculded.
>>
>> That's never been part of it. In fact, Chung has stated on many
>> occasions, in other words, that exercise isn't useful. Any peripheral
>> issues used to be where that "common sense" (undefined by Chung) entered
>> the equation in the early propagandizing, until he realized that he was
>> giving medical advice online and liable. Then the do-it-yourself,
>> "common sense" business went away and it became "see your doctor."
>>
>> It's evolved from a good idea to THE *right* amount (emphases added) and
>> has suddenly acquired (wholly spurious) biblical support. His
>> deliberate flaunting of the correct quantity of the omer to suit his
>> efforts at annoyance are merely more of the same sorts of acts he has
>> put on in recent time merely to disconcert people. In crass, street
>> terms, he does mind****s. He has no real interest in convincing anyone
>> of anything. He has no real interest in hearing anything but that which
>> he already believes. His positions have become progressively more
>> extreme, more distant from science and its methods, to the opposite pole
>> of absolute, unquestioning belief in untestable and unprovable articles
>> of faith, to the complete exclusion of information that has been tested
>> and retested in the crucible of the empirical.
>>
>> His whole insistence that there was a global flood all geological
>> evidence to the contrary and the actual existence of "Eve" as the
>> progenitor of *all* humans is serious enough. But to say that there has
>> been no evolution and that there is no evolution now is simply stunning
>> in someone who has studied comparative anatomy.
>>
>> That whole transition to "divine" endorsement of an incomplete dietary
>> idea, his use of quotes around material that aren't really quotations,
>> top posting, deciding of late that the 2 Pound Diet isn't a diet, his
>> denying that he's the author of the Chung FAQ and owner of the site when
>> the writing style is pure Chungish, "misunderstanding" what people post
>> and asking obtuse questions, and many other obvious behaviors - at least
>> antisocial, on up to the sociopathic - are just his way of thumbing his
>> nose at everyone who raises even the most trivial question about
>> anything he posts.
>>
>> Chung claims not to be engaged in combat - that he loves his neighbors
>> and shows it in his actions - but in the past few days he has talked
>> about defeating people in this "debate" postings. Chung's in it for the
>> zero-sum game. He always "wins" the contest, even when others don't know
>> they're in a contest. So much of how posting is filled with undeserved
>> scorn and spiteful posturing.
>>
>> There is really no point in trying to engage him in rational discourse.
>> He hasn't the integrity to participate with anything but a desire for
>> emerging triumphant. He invites disagreement with his extreme tactics
>> and then seems to actually believe that he's being pressured for his
>> religious beliefs rather than his vile actions. Everything documents -
>> to him - that he's doing God's work; the cloak he hides behind to excuse
>> his demented abuses. There is no interaction with fanatics; they only
>> want an audience to proselytize at and preen before.
>>
>> It may well be that some of his technical information could be valuable,
>> but the entire framework of his presence is deceitful, evasive and
>> combative. Putting the technical information into the setting where he
>> feels the need to be triumphant should certainly set off alarms about
>> whether the information he provides would be different if he liked you
>> or disliked you.
>>
>> Pastorio
this is a diabetes newsgroup not some marketing opportunity to market your
latest fad.
I am an australian I your posts dont come across well.
PS most aussies can smell someone who isnt genuine a mile away
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| Jeff |
"Shaun aRe" <shaun_are@zenlunatics.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4268f89e$0$71885$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
>
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:4268DDDA.C46FE06C@heartmdphd.com...
>> Jeff wrote:
>> >
>> > I think you have the wrong forum. This has absolutely nothing to do
>> > with
>> > science, medicine or cardiology.
>>
>> That would be your judgment and not the Lord's.
>
> The LordŽT would like you to know that he has judged you to be a filthy
> low
> down scum sucking gutter dwelling pig poking spammer from the slime pits
> of
> ****wit'sville, and that you chose the wrong religion. HTH.
Please. We can judge Mr. Chung's comments on their merits. Theses sorts of
personal attacks are not welcome. If you don't like the thread, then ignore
it.
Jeff
> Shaun aRe
> --
> Life is the dream you wake up to.
>
>
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| Shaun aRe |
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Uh7ae.11340$go4.4788@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> "Shaun aRe" <shaun_are@zenlunatics.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4268f89e$0$71885$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
> >
> > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > news:4268DDDA.C46FE06C@heartmdphd.com...
> >> Jeff wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I think you have the wrong forum. This has absolutely nothing to do
> >> > with
> >> > science, medicine or cardiology.
> >>
> >> That would be your judgment and not the Lord's.
> >
> > The LordŽT would like you to know that he has judged you to be a filthy
> > low
> > down scum sucking gutter dwelling pig poking spammer from the slime pits
> > of
> > ****wit'sville, and that you chose the wrong religion. HTH.
>
> Please. We can judge Mr. Chung's comments on their merits. Theses sorts of
> personal attacks are not welcome. If you don't like the thread, then
ignore
> it.
'Please, if you don't like what I type, then ignore it, Jeff.'
Seriously - You are going to get less than nowhere fast attempting to tell
me what to post or not to post on Usenet.
HTH, HAVVND.
',;~}~
Shaun aRe
--
Living Life Large Like Loud Lemon Lipped Laughter.
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| Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD |
Shaun aRe wrote:
>
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:4268DDDA.C46FE06C@heartmdphd.com...
> > Jeff wrote:
> > >
> > > I think you have the wrong forum. This has absolutely nothing to do with
> > > science, medicine or cardiology.
> >
> > That would be your judgment and not the Lord's.
>
> The LordŽT would like you to know that he has judged you to be a filthy low
> down scum sucking gutter dwelling pig poking spammer from the slime pits of
> ****wit'sville, and that you chose the wrong religion. HTH.
>
> Shaun aRe
The Lord has this message for you which can be found within His Word:
Jeremiah 28:16
I will pray for His mercy on your behalf that He spares your life but it
will ultimately be His will.
> Life is the dream you wake up to.
Thankfully, Lord Jesus is the way, the truth, and **the life**.
Truth is simple:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A
The way to the truth is straight and narrow:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A
You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in Christ's holy
name.
May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.
Here's how:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)
Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.
Enter the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" type 2 diabetes
thereby bringing this thread back on topic :-)
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
At His service,
Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
**
Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
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| Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD |
gp wrote:
>
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:42688FE1.6C6AC90B@heartmdphd.com...
> > Quite the diatribe there, dear Bob.
> >
> > Perhaps your radio show listeners would enjoy hearing you read it on the
> > air someday. It is very entertaining (to me anyway :-).
> >
> > Reminds me of the following story by Reverend Nick Shaffer:
> >
> > The story is told of a man who got a permit to open the first tavern
> > in a small town. The members of a local church were strongly opposed to
> > the bar, so they began to pray that God would intervene. A few days
> > before the tavern was scheduled to open, lightning hits the structure
> > and it burned to the ground. The people of the church were surprised
> > but pleased -- until they received notice that the would-be tavern owner
> > was suing them. He contended that their prayers were responsible for
> > the burning of the building. They denied the charge. At the conclusion
> > of the preliminary hearing, the judge wryly remarked, "At this point I
> > don't know what my decision will be, but it seems that the tavern owner
> > believes in the power of prayer and these church people don't." Do you
> > believe in the power of God?
> >
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A
> >
> > The way to the truth is straight and narrow:
> >
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A
> >
> > You remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Lord Jesus Christ's
> > most holy and precious name.
> >
> > May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
> > Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
> > fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.
> >
> > Here's how:
> >
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
> >
> > Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
> > the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
> > is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
> > arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
> > Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
> > 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
> > His presence known here on Usenet :-)
> >
> > Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
> > oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
> > "omer" literally means in Hebrew.
> >
> > Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome thereby
> > bringing this thread back on topic for the medical newsgroups :-)
> >
> > http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
> >
> > At His service,
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > --
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > Board-Certified Cardiologist
> >
> >
> > **
> > Suggested Reading:
> >
> > (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
> > (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2A821CEA
> > (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
> > (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
> > (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
> > (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
> > (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
> >
> > "Bob (this one)" wrote:
> >>
> >> Jeff wrote:
> >> > "Don Kirkman" <donkirk@covad.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:fptf61516m7lofng8j5tbusle5ri7cvtul@4ax.com...
> >> >
> >> >>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> >> >>article <4267180E.46B8011E@heartmdphd.com>:
> >> >>
> >> >>>Jeff wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>news:4266C5AD.CF2B59AE@heartmdphd.com...
> >> >>>>(...)
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>... and Dr. Chung's office... and in the homes of more than 625,550
> >> >>>>>people who have had more than 5 years experience with the 2PD-OMER
> >> >>>>>Approach...
> >> >>
> >> >>>>With this much experience, I am surprised you haven't published your
> >> >>>>diet yet.
> >> >>
> >> >>>The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
> >> >>
> >> >>Is it the recent addition of the supposed 32-oz omer that changed it?
> >> >>
> >> >>[Begin]
> >> >>
> >> >>Message-ID: <3CBB1E4B.212F12FF@heartmdphd.com>
> >> >>Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:39:07 -0400
> >> >>
> >> >>So far hundreds have informed me that they are finding success with
> >> >>the two pound diet. None report failure and none report nutritional
> >> >>deficiencies.
> >> >>[End]
> >> >>
> >> >>It was not yet hundreds of thousands of satisfied users, I presume.
> >> >>
> >> >>But the change from "diet" to "approach" must not have depended on the
> >> >>omer, since the omer was still missing in February, 2004:
> >> >>
> >> >>[Begin]
> >> >>Message-ID: <402165AC.2B61E26A@heartmdphd.com>
> >> >>Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:35:40 -0500
> >> >>
> >> >>This discussion(s) is related to the 2 pound diet approach (2PD) which
> >> >>is described completely at . . . .
> >> >>[End]
> >> >>
> >> >>That arouses my curiosity; how could those 625,550 people have been on
> >> >>the 2PD-omer diet for five years when the omer stipulation was just
> >> >>added recently, perhaps earlier this year? The first Google hit on
> >> >>that key is February 13, 2005. Were the subjects on a different diet,
> >> >>or does the addition of "omer" make absolutely no difference except
> >> >>some supposed religious support for the diet and its author?
> >> >>
> >> >>And how many were in your control group?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > It is a diet, because it is what you eat.
> >> >
> >> > I question whether it is really an approach, because important parts of
> >> > a
> >> > healthy lifestyle, like excercise and not doing stupid things like
> >> > smoking
> >> > and driving without seatbelts are not inculded.
> >>
> >> That's never been part of it. In fact, Chung has stated on many
> >> occasions, in other words, that exercise isn't useful. Any peripheral
> >> issues used to be where that "common sense" (undefined by Chung) entered
> >> the equation in the early propagandizing, until he realized that he was
> >> giving medical advice online and liable. Then the do-it-yourself,
> >> "common sense" business went away and it became "see your doctor."
> >>
> >> It's evolved from a good idea to THE *right* amount (emphases added) and
> >> has suddenly acquired (wholly spurious) biblical support. His
> >> deliberate flaunting of the correct quantity of the omer to suit his
> >> efforts at annoyance are merely more of the same sorts of acts he has
> >> put on in recent time merely to disconcert people. In crass, street
> >> terms, he does mind****s. He has no real interest in convincing anyone
> >> of anything. He has no real interest in hearing anything but that which
> >> he already believes. His positions have become progressively more
> >> extreme, more distant from science and its methods, to the opposite pole
> >> of absolute, unquestioning belief in untestable and unprovable articles
> >> of faith, to the complete exclusion of information that has been tested
> >> and retested in the crucible of the empirical.
> >>
> >> His whole insistence that there was a global flood all geological
> >> evidence to the contrary and the actual existence of "Eve" as the
> >> progenitor of *all* humans is serious enough. But to say that there has
> >> been no evolution and that there is no evolution now is simply stunning
> >> in someone who has studied comparative anatomy.
> >>
> >> That whole transition to "divine" endorsement of an incomplete dietary
> >> idea, his use of quotes around material that aren't really quotations,
> >> top posting, deciding of late that the 2 Pound Diet isn't a diet, his
> >> denying that he's the author of the Chung FAQ and owner of the site when
> >> the writing style is pure Chungish, "misunderstanding" what people post
> >> and asking obtuse questions, and many other obvious behaviors - at least
> >> antisocial, on up to the sociopathic - are just his way of thumbing his
> >> nose at everyone who raises even the most trivial question about
> >> anything he posts.
> >>
> >> Chung claims not to be engaged in combat - that he loves his neighbors
> >> and shows it in his actions - but in the past few days he has talked
> >> about defeating people in this "debate" postings. Chung's in it for the
> >> zero-sum game. He always "wins" the contest, even when others don't know
> >> they're in a contest. So much of how posting is filled with undeserved
> >> scorn and spiteful posturing.
> >>
> >> There is really no point in trying to engage him in rational discourse.
> >> He hasn't the integrity to participate with anything but a desire for
> >> emerging triumphant. He invites disagreement with his extreme tactics
> >> and then seems to actually believe that he's being pressured for his
> >> religious beliefs rather than his vile actions. Everything documents -
> >> to him - that he's doing God's work; the cloak he hides behind to excuse
> >> his demented abuses. There is no interaction with fanatics; they only
> >> want an audience to proselytize at and preen before.
> >>
> >> It may well be that some of his technical information could be valuable,
> >> but the entire framework of his presence is deceitful, evasive and
> >> combative. Putting the technical information into the setting where he
> >> feels the need to be triumphant should certainly set off alarms about
> >> whether the information he provides would be different if he liked you
> >> or disliked you.
> >>
> >> Pastorio
>
> this is a diabetes newsgroup not some marketing opportunity to market your
> latest fad.
No marketing here. The 2PD-OMER Approach is neither fad nor commercial
venture.
> I am an australian I your posts dont come across well.
Are australian's typically as incoherent as you?
> PS most aussies can smell someone who isnt genuine a mile away
If you smell me, you might be suffering an olfactory hallucination,
which could indicate an underlying neurological problem.
For this reason, I would suggest you inform your doctor(s) if indeed you
truly are having this symptom.
Truth is simple:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A
The way to the truth is straight and narrow:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A
You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Christ's holy
name.
May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.
Here's how:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)
Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.
Enter the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" type 2 diabetes
thereby bringing this thread back on topic :-)
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
At His service,
Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
**
Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
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| Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD |
Shaun aRe wrote:
>
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Uh7ae.11340$go4.4788@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >
> > "Shaun aRe" <shaun_are@zenlunatics.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:4268f89e$0$71885$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
> > >
> > > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > > news:4268DDDA.C46FE06C@heartmdphd.com...
> > >> Jeff wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > I think you have the wrong forum. This has absolutely nothing to do
> > >> > with
> > >> > science, medicine or cardiology.
> > >>
> > >> That would be your judgment and not the Lord's.
> > >
> > > The LordŽT would like you to know that he has judged you to be a filthy
> > > low
> > > down scum sucking gutter dwelling pig poking spammer from the slime pits
> > > of
> > > ****wit'sville, and that you chose the wrong religion. HTH.
> >
> > Please. We can judge Mr. Chung's comments on their merits. Theses sorts of
> > personal attacks are not welcome. If you don't like the thread, then
> ignore
> > it.
>
> 'Please, if you don't like what I type, then ignore it, Jeff.'
>
> Seriously - You are going to get less than nowhere fast attempting to tell
> me what to post or not to post on Usenet.
Thank you for proving to Jeff and others that I am walking with the
Lord.
At His service,
Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
**
Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2A821CEA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
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| Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD |
Jeff wrote:
>
> "Shaun aRe" <shaun_are@zenlunatics.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4268f89e$0$71885$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
> >
> > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > news:4268DDDA.C46FE06C@heartmdphd.com...
> >> Jeff wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I think you have the wrong forum. This has absolutely nothing to do
> >> > with
> >> > science, medicine or cardiology.
> >>
> >> That would be your judgment and not the Lord's.
> >
> > The LordŽT would like you to know that he has judged you to be a filthy
> > low
> > down scum sucking gutter dwelling pig poking spammer from the slime pits
> > of
> > ****wit'sville, and that you chose the wrong religion. HTH.
>
> Please. We can judge Mr. Chung's comments on their merits.
"Judge not others unless you want to be judged by the same measure."
> Theses sorts of personal attacks are not welcome.
As if you were in charge here.
"Those who walk with the Christ will be attacked along with the Christ."
> If you don't like the thread, then ignore it.
Hypocrisy duly noted in someone who just complained about this thread
being off-topic:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?C2F2151FA
Truth is simple:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A
The way to the truth is straight and narrow:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A
You will remain in my prayers, dear Jeff, whom I love, in Christ's holy
name.
May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.
Here's how:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)
Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.
Enter the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" type 2 diabetes
thereby bringing this thread back on topic :-)
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
At His service,
Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
**
Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
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| Jeff |
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:42692CB4.5F6E572A@heartmdphd.com...
> Jeff wrote:
>>
>> "Shaun aRe" <shaun_are@zenlunatics.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:4268f89e$0$71885$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
>> >
>> > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>> > news:4268DDDA.C46FE06C@heartmdphd.com...
>> >> Jeff wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I think you have the wrong forum. This has absolutely nothing to do
>> >> > with
>> >> > science, medicine or cardiology.
>> >>
>> >> That would be your judgment and not the Lord's.
>> >
>> > The LordŽT would like you to know that he has judged you to be a filthy
>> > low
>> > down scum sucking gutter dwelling pig poking spammer from the slime
>> > pits
>> > of
>> > ****wit'sville, and that you chose the wrong religion. HTH.
>>
>> Please. We can judge Mr. Chung's comments on their merits.
>
> "Judge not others unless you want to be judged by the same measure."
>
>> Theses sorts of personal attacks are not welcome.
>
> As if you were in charge here.
>
> "Those who walk with the Christ will be attacked along with the Christ."
>
>> If you don't like the thread, then ignore it.
>
> Hypocrisy duly noted in someone who just complained about this thread
> being off-topic:
I expressed my opinion that this thread is off-topic. I don't call any those
nasty things. There is no hyposcisy here.
Jeff
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?C2F2151FA
>
> Truth is simple:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A
>
> The way to the truth is straight and narrow:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A
>
> You will remain in my prayers, dear Jeff, whom I love, in Christ's holy
> name.
>
> May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
> Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
> fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.
>
> Here's how:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
>
> Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
> the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
> is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
> arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
> Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
> 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
> His presence known here on Usenet :-)
>
> Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
> oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
> "omer" literally means in Hebrew.
>
> Enter the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" type 2 diabetes
> thereby bringing this thread back on topic :-)
>
> http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
>
> At His service,
>
> Andrew
>
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-Certified Cardiologist
>
>
> **
> Suggested Reading:
> (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
> (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA
> (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
> (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
> (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
> (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
> (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
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| ralph |
Right on. Crap like this religious junk doesn't belong on a cooking
usenet topic.
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| listener |
"ralph" <meyer@zoominternet.net> wrote in news:1114193478.691693.175880
@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> Right on. Crap like this religious junk doesn't belong on a cooking
> usenet topic.
>
The only way to deal with this is to killfile Dr. Chung. No amount of
imploring will get him to stop.
L.
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| Maĸk |
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:49:40 GMT, "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:
>
>"Shaun aRe" <shaun_are@zenlunatics.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:4268f89e$0$71885$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
>>
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>> news:4268DDDA.C46FE06C@heartmdphd.com...
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I think you have the wrong forum. This has absolutely nothing to do
>>> > with
>>> > science, medicine or cardiology.
>>>
>>> That would be your judgment and not the Lord's.
>>
>> The LordŽT would like you to know that he has judged you to be a filthy
>> low
>> down scum sucking gutter dwelling pig poking spammer from the slime pits
>> of
>> ****wit'sville, and that you chose the wrong religion. HTH.
>
>Please. We can judge Mr. Chung's comments on their merits. Theses sorts of
>personal attacks are not welcome. If you don't like the thread, then ignore
>it.
>
>Jeff
>
>
why not show some respect for all the other groups, check the headers
of your posts and do not cross post when replying?
it only spreadschung's trolling and angers those who don't want to see
it in groups where religios mythologies are not the topic.
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| Maĸk |
On 22 Apr 2005 19:06:14 GMT, listener <listener@nospam.net> Huffed and
Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:
>"ralph" <meyer@zoominternet.net> wrote in news:1114193478.691693.175880
>@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Right on. Crap like this religious junk doesn't belong on a cooking
>> usenet topic.
>>
>
>The only way to deal with this is to killfile Dr. Chung. No amount of
>imploring will get him to stop.
>
>L.
in fact it will only inspire him to troll even harder because he is
getting the reaction he wants a negative reaction. Chung trolls in
this manner because he enjoys sparking flame wars between the
newsgroups, and between religious people of differing faiths. The
arguing is what chung really wants.
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| Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD |
Jeff wrote:
>
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:42692CB4.5F6E572A@heartmdphd.com...
> > Jeff wrote:
> >>
> >> "Shaun aRe" <shaun_are@zenlunatics.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:4268f89e$0$71885$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
> >> >
> >> > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:4268DDDA.C46FE06C@heartmdphd.com...
> >> >> Jeff wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I think you have the wrong forum. This has absolutely nothing to do
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > science, medicine or cardiology.
> >> >>
> >> >> That would be your judgment and not the Lord's.
> >> >
> >> > The LordŽT would like you to know that he has judged you to be a filthy
> >> > low
> >> > down scum sucking gutter dwelling pig poking spammer from the slime
> >> > pits
> >> > of
> >> > ****wit'sville, and that you chose the wrong religion. HTH.
> >>
> >> Please. We can judge Mr. Chung's comments on their merits.
> >
> > "Judge not others unless you want to be judged by the same measure."
> >
> >> Theses sorts of personal attacks are not welcome.
> >
> > As if you were in charge here.
> >
> > "Those who walk with the Christ will be attacked along with the Christ."
> >
> >> If you don't like the thread, then ignore it.
> >
> > Hypocrisy duly noted in someone who just complained about this thread
> > being off-topic:
>
> I expressed my opinion that this thread is off-topic. I don't call any those
> nasty things. There is no hyposcisy here.
"Hypocrisy is writing one thing and doing another."
At His service,
Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
**
Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2A821CEA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
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| gp |
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:42692CA6.8C099D5E@heartmdphd.com...
> gp wrote:
>>
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>> news:42688FE1.6C6AC90B@heartmdphd.com...
>> > Quite the diatribe there, dear Bob.
>> >
>> > Perhaps your radio show listeners would enjoy hearing you read it on
>> > the
>> > air someday. It is very entertaining (to me anyway :-).
>> >
>> > Reminds me of the following story by Reverend Nick Shaffer:
>> >
>> > The story is told of a man who got a permit to open the first tavern
>> > in a small town. The members of a local church were strongly opposed
>> > to
>> > the bar, so they began to pray that God would intervene. A few days
>> > before the tavern was scheduled to open, lightning hits the structure
>> > and it burned to the ground. The people of the church were surprised
>> > but pleased -- until they received notice that the would-be tavern
>> > owner
>> > was suing them. He contended that their prayers were responsible for
>> > the burning of the building. They denied the charge. At the
>> > conclusion
>> > of the preliminary hearing, the judge wryly remarked, "At this point I
>> > don't know what my decision will be, but it seems that the tavern owner
>> > believes in the power of prayer and these church people don't." Do you
>> > believe in the power of God?
>> >
>> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A
>> >
>> > The way to the truth is straight and narrow:
>> >
>> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A
>> >
>> > You remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Lord Jesus Christ's
>> > most holy and precious name.
>> >
>> > May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
>> > Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
>> > fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.
>> >
>> > Here's how:
>> >
>> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
>> >
>> > Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
>> > the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2
>> > which
>> > is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
>> > arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of
>> > the
>> > Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and
>> > the
>> > 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
>> > His presence known here on Usenet :-)
>> >
>> > Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
>> > oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is
>> > what
>> > "omer" literally means in Hebrew.
>> >
>> > Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome
>> > thereby
>> > bringing this thread back on topic for the medical newsgroups :-)
>> >
>> > http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
>> >
>> > At His service,
>> >
>> > Andrew
>> >
>> > --
>> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>> > Board-Certified Cardiologist
>> >
>> >
>> > **
>> > Suggested Reading:
>> >
>> > (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
>> > (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2A821CEA
>> > (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
>> > (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
>> > (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
>> > (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
>> > (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
>> >
>> > "Bob (this one)" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Jeff wrote:
>> >> > "Don Kirkman" <donkirk@covad.net> wrote in message
>> >> > news:fptf61516m7lofng8j5tbusle5ri7cvtul@4ax.com...
>> >> >
>> >> >>It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
>> >> >>in
>> >> >>article <4267180E.46B8011E@heartmdphd.com>:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>Jeff wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>news:4266C5AD.CF2B59AE@heartmdphd.com...
>> >> >>>>(...)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>>>... and Dr. Chung's office... and in the homes of more than
>> >> >>>>>625,550
>> >> >>>>>people who have had more than 5 years experience with the
>> >> >>>>>2PD-OMER
>> >> >>>>>Approach...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>>With this much experience, I am surprised you haven't published
>> >> >>>>your
>> >> >>>>diet yet.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Is it the recent addition of the supposed 32-oz omer that changed
>> >> >>it?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>[Begin]
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Message-ID: <3CBB1E4B.212F12FF@heartmdphd.com>
>> >> >>Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:39:07 -0400
>> >> >>
>> >> >>So far hundreds have informed me that they are finding success with
>> >> >>the two pound diet. None report failure and none report nutritional
>> >> >>deficiencies.
>> >> >>[End]
>> >> >>
>> >> >>It was not yet hundreds of thousands of satisfied users, I presume.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>But the change from "diet" to "approach" must not have depended on
>> >> >>the
>> >> >>omer, since the omer was still missing in February, 2004:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>[Begin]
>> >> >>Message-ID: <402165AC.2B61E26A@heartmdphd.com>
>> >> >>Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:35:40 -0500
>> >> >>
>> >> >>This discussion(s) is related to the 2 pound diet approach (2PD)
>> >> >>which
>> >> >>is described completely at . . . .
>> >> >>[End]
>> >> >>
>> >> >>That arouses my curiosity; how could those 625,550 people have been
>> >> >>on
>> >> >>the 2PD-omer diet for five years when the omer stipulation was just
>> >> >>added recently, perhaps earlier this year? The first Google hit on
>> >> >>that key is February 13, 2005. Were the subjects on a different
>> >> >>diet,
>> >> >>or does the addition of "omer" make absolutely no difference except
>> >> >>some supposed religious support for the diet and its author?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>And how many were in your control group?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > It is a diet, because it is what you eat.
>> >> >
>> >> > I question whether it is really an approach, because important parts
>> >> > of
>> >> > a
>> >> > healthy lifestyle, like excercise and not doing stupid things like
>> >> > smoking
>> >> > and driving without seatbelts are not inculded.
>> >>
>> >> That's never been part of it. In fact, Chung has stated on many
>> >> occasions, in other words, that exercise isn't useful. Any peripheral
>> >> issues used to be where that "common sense" (undefined by Chung)
>> >> entered
>> >> the equation in the early propagandizing, until he realized that he
>> >> was
>> >> giving medical advice online and liable. Then the do-it-yourself,
>> >> "common sense" business went away and it became "see your doctor."
>> >>
>> >> It's evolved from a good idea to THE *right* amount (emphases added)
>> >> and
>> >> has suddenly acquired (wholly spurious) biblical support. His
>> >> deliberate flaunting of the correct quantity of the omer to suit his
>> >> efforts at annoyance are merely more of the same sorts of acts he has
>> >> put on in recent time merely to disconcert people. In crass, street
>> >> terms, he does mind****s. He has no real interest in convincing anyone
>> >> of anything. He has no real interest in hearing anything but that
>> >> which
>> >> he already believes. His positions have become progressively more
>> >> extreme, more distant from science and its methods, to the opposite
>> >> pole
>> >> of absolute, unquestioning belief in untestable and unprovable
>> >> articles
>> >> of faith, to the complete exclusion of information that has been
>> >> tested
>> >> and retested in the crucible of the empirical.
>> >>
>> >> His whole insistence that there was a global flood all geological
>> >> evidence to the contrary and the actual existence of "Eve" as the
>> >> progenitor of *all* humans is serious enough. But to say that there
>> >> has
>> >> been no evolution and that there is no evolution now is simply
>> >> stunning
>> >> in someone who has studied comparative anatomy.
>> >>
>> >> That whole transition to "divine" endorsement of an incomplete dietary
>> >> idea, his use of quotes around material that aren't really quotations,
>> >> top posting, deciding of late that the 2 Pound Diet isn't a diet, his
>> >> denying that he's the author of the Chung FAQ and owner of the site
>> >> when
>> >> the writing style is pure Chungish, "misunderstanding" what people
>> >> post
>> >> and asking obtuse questions, and many other obvious behaviors - at
>> >> least
>> >> antisocial, on up to the sociopathic - are just his way of thumbing
>> >> his
>> >> nose at everyone who raises even the most trivial question about
>> >> anything he posts.
>> >>
>> >> Chung claims not to be engaged in combat - that he loves his neighbors
>> >> and shows it in his actions - but in the past few days he has talked
>> >> about defeating people in this "debate" postings. Chung's in it for
>> >> the
>> >> zero-sum game. He always "wins" the contest, even when others don't
>> >> know
>> >> they're in a contest. So much of how posting is filled with undeserved
>> >> scorn and spiteful posturing.
>> >>
>> >> There is really no point in trying to engage him in rational
>> >> discourse.
>> >> He hasn't the integrity to participate with anything but a desire for
>> >> emerging triumphant. He invites disagreement with his extreme tactics
>> >> and then seems to actually believe that he's being pressured for his
>> >> religious beliefs rather than his vile actions. Everything documents -
>> >> to him - that he's doing God's work; the cloak he hides behind to
>> >> excuse
>> >> his demented abuses. There is no interaction with fanatics; they only
>> >> want an audience to proselytize at and preen before.
>> >>
>> >> It may well be that some of his technical information could be
>> >> valuable,
>> >> but the entire framework of his presence is deceitful, evasive and
>> >> combative. Putting the technical information into the setting where he
>> >> feels the need to be triumphant should certainly set off alarms about
>> >> whether the information he provides would be different if he liked you
>> >> or disliked you.
>> >>
>> >> Pastorio
>>
>> this is a diabetes newsgroup not some marketing opportunity to market
>> your
>> latest fad.
>
> No marketing here. The 2PD-OMER Approach is neither fad nor commercial
> venture.
>
>> I am an australian I your posts dont come across well.
>
> Are australian's typically as incoherent as you?
>
>> PS most aussies can smell someone who isnt genuine a mile away
>
> If you smell me, you might be suffering an olfactory hallucination,
> which could indicate an underlying neurological problem.
>
> For this reason, I would suggest you inform your doctor(s) if indeed you
> truly are having this symptom.
>
> Truth is simple:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A
>
> The way to the truth is straight and narrow:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A
>
> You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob, whom I love, in Christ's holy
> name.
>
> May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
> Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
> fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.
>
> Here's how:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
>
> Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
> the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
> is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
> arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
> Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
> 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
> His presence known here on Usenet :-)
>
> Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
> oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
> "omer" literally means in Hebrew.
>
> Enter the diabetic 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" type 2 diabetes
> thereby bringing this thread back on topic :-)
>
> http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
>
> At His service,
>
> Andrew
>
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-Certified Cardiologist
>
>
> **
> Suggested Reading:
> (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
> (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA
> (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
> (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
> (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
> (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
> (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
this is a diabetes newgroup for people who want help with diabetes. not a
marketing opportunity to flog your latest idea.
also if you want to insult people i suggest you go elsewhere.
medical problems are not a lot of fun to have you know and this isnt the US
where seem so determined to sell yourself for your own gain.
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andrew
please reconsider posting here for anything other than a diabetes issue, no
marketing schemes for weight loss or any other product.
you get a lot of bad replies because of your 'buy me' atitude and justifying
it with religious sayings.
Christ did say get rid of the money men.
you are not a positive influence on the terrible disease of diabetes in this
forum, you are annoying people.
initials after your name tells everyone more about your ego than you wisdom
let go of your pride and your religious ego
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| Blash |
gp notices:
<< initials after your name tells everyone more about your ego than you
wisdom>>
He is probably convinced that he is the only one here with initials
after their name.........however, those that have them are not feeling
inferior and therefore see no need to flaunt them..........
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| Alan S |
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 09:48:02 +1000, "gp" <grum@invalid>
wrote:
<snip>
>
>this is a diabetes newgroup for people who want help with diabetes. not a
>marketing opportunity to flog your latest idea.
<snip>
Hi gp
The word for the day is "snip". Spread the word.
Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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| Alan S |
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:56:47 +1000, "gp" <grum@invalid>
wrote:
>
>let go of your pride and your religious ego
Wasting your time and your words. Use kf.
Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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| gp |
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:4269C38C.16B348D@heartmdphd.com...
> gp wrote:
>>
> <snip>
>
>> this is a diabetes newgroup for people who want help with diabetes.
>
> Actually, **this** is usenet where people exchange ideas and
> information.
>
>> not a
>> marketing opportunity to flog your latest idea.
>
> The new food pyramid is not my idea.
>
>> also if you want to insult people i suggest you go elsewhere.
>
> My purpose here is to inform.
>
>> medical problems are not a lot of fun to have you know and this isnt the
>> US
>> where seem so determined to sell yourself for your own gain.
>
> In truth, I am not selling anything here.
>
>
> At His service,
>
> Andrew
>
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-Certified Cardiologist
>
> **
> Suggested Reading:
> (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
> (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2A821CEA
> (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
> (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
> (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
> (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
> (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
what?
this is a diabetes newgroup for the purpose of diabetes only, read the
usenet name. it is not a general idea forum.
your purpose here is not to inform.
you dont know it all and again we see a lot of EGO coming from you.
again your pride is talking for you
at his service........whos service, your marketing manager
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| GaryG |
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:4269698B.8086247@heartmdphd.com...
> Jeff wrote:
> >
> > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > news:42692CB4.5F6E572A@heartmdphd.com...
> > > Jeff wrote:
> > >>
> > >> "Shaun aRe" <shaun_are@zenlunatics.co.uk> wrote in message
> > >> news:4268f89e$0$71885$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
> > >> >
> > >> > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > >> > news:4268DDDA.C46FE06C@heartmdphd.com...
> > >> >> Jeff wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I think you have the wrong forum. This has absolutely nothing to
do
> > >> >> > with
> > >> >> > science, medicine or cardiology.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> That would be your judgment and not the Lord's.
> > >> >
> > >> > The LordŽT would like you to know that he has judged you to be a
filthy
> > >> > low
> > >> > down scum sucking gutter dwelling pig poking spammer from the slime
> > >> > pits
> > >> > of
> > >> > ****wit'sville, and that you chose the wrong religion. HTH.
> > >>
> > >> Please. We can judge Mr. Chung's comments on their merits.
> > >
> > > "Judge not others unless you want to be judged by the same measure."
> > >
> > >> Theses sorts of personal attacks are not welcome.
> > >
> > > As if you were in charge here.
> > >
> > > "Those who walk with the Christ will be attacked along with the
Christ."
> > >
> > >> If you don't like the thread, then ignore it.
> > >
> > > Hypocrisy duly noted in someone who just complained about this thread
> > > being off-topic:
> >
> > I expressed my opinion that this thread is off-topic. I don't call any
those
> > nasty things. There is no hyposcisy here.
>
> "Hypocrisy is writing one thing and doing another."
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting
different results."
GG
>
> At His service,
>
> Andrew
>
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-Certified Cardiologist
>
> **
> Suggested Reading:
> (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
> (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2A821CEA
> (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
> (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
> (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
> (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
> (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
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| Shaun aRe |
"Maĸk" <youknow@yourenutty.com> wrote in message
news:epoi61l99l3jkeaseq4odi4pun5vi0qjl2@4ax.com...
> why not show some respect for all the other groups, check the headers
> of your posts and do not cross post when replying?
The irony of you posting that to all those groups is lost on you isn't it?
',;~}~
Shaun aRe
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| Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD |
Shaun aRe wrote:
>
> "Maĸk" <youknow@yourenutty.com> wrote in message
> news:epoi61l99l3jkeaseq4odi4pun5vi0qjl2@4ax.com...
>
> > why not show some respect for all the other groups, check the headers
> > of your posts and do not cross post when replying?
>
> The irony of you posting that to all those groups is lost on you isn't it?
> ',;~}~
Mack does seem to be lost.
Truth is simple:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A
The way to the truth is straight and narrow:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A
You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Christ's
holy name.
May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.
Here's how:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)
Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.
Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
thereby bringing this thread back on topic for these NGs :-)
http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
At His service,
Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
**
Suggested Reading:
(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?V113154DA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
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| Shaun aRe |
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:426E5952.14C836C0@heartmdphd.com...
> Shaun aRe wrote:
> >
> > "Maĸk" <youknow@yourenutty.com> wrote in message
> > news:epoi61l99l3jkeaseq4odi4pun5vi0qjl2@4ax.com...
> >
> > > why not show some respect for all the other groups, check the headers
> > > of your posts and do not cross post when replying?
> >
> > The irony of you posting that to all those groups is lost on you isn't
it?
> > ',;~}~
>
> Mack does seem to be lost.
Oh, I see - You hadn't said he was following you.
Shaun aRe
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| Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD |
Shaun aRe wrote:
>
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:426E5952.14C836C0@heartmdphd.com...
> > Shaun aRe wrote:
> > >
> > > "Maĸk" <youknow@yourenutty.com> wrote in message
> > > news:epoi61l99l3jkeaseq4odi4pun5vi0qjl2@4ax.com...
> > >
> > > > why not show some respect for all the other groups, check the headers
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