| xx1xx@excite.com |
Most people have no idea what Usenet or user groups are. The first
time I saw newsgroups was almost 2 decades ago and I was on a system
called Portal. I was also on The Source, People Link, Compuserve, Bix
and a host of other systems.
Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
have the handle of "addman"
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| serene |
<xx1xx@excite.com> wrote:
> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
> have the handle of "addman"
In '98 and early '99, I was dating a man who was married (his wife
knew). I had never been monogamous, but he told me about this thing
called "polyamory" and pointed me to the newsgroup alt.polyamory. I've
been there (and on soc.bi and other groups) ever since, always as some
version of "serene".
serene
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| Doug Kanter |
"serene" <serene@serenepages.org> wrote in message
news:1gzy11v.ahc8rryijul6N%serene@serenepages.org...
> <xx1xx@excite.com> wrote:
>
>> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
>> have the handle of "addman"
>
> In '98 and early '99, I was dating a man who was married (his wife
> knew). I had never been monogamous, but he told me about this thing
> called "polyamory" and pointed me to the newsgroup alt.polyamory. I've
> been there (and on soc.bi and other groups) ever since, always as some
> version of "serene".
>
> serene
That's disgusting. Is it fun, this polyamory thing? :-)
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| rmg |
Since 1995 I've been on Usenet but I've had a lot of different email
addresses so I've never really established much of an identity. This is the
group I've lurked and written on the most on an on-and-off basis. I also
like rec.gambling.poker and a bunch of the computer and web
development-related ngs.
cheers, rox
<xx1xx@excite.com> wrote in message
news:atdqd15pd05h06g8p4jqqa6h72es3r2djt@4ax.com...
> Most people have no idea what Usenet or user groups are. The first
> time I saw newsgroups was almost 2 decades ago and I was on a system
> called Portal. I was also on The Source, People Link, Compuserve, Bix
> and a host of other systems.
>
> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
> have the handle of "addman"
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| serene |
Doug Kanter <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "serene" <serene@serenepages.org> wrote in message
> news:1gzy11v.ahc8rryijul6N%serene@serenepages.org...
> > <xx1xx@excite.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
> >> have the handle of "addman"
> >
> > In '98 and early '99, I was dating a man who was married (his wife
> > knew). I had never been monogamous, but he told me about this thing
> > called "polyamory" and pointed me to the newsgroup alt.polyamory. I've
> > been there (and on soc.bi and other groups) ever since, always as some
> > version of "serene".
> >
> > serene
>
> That's disgusting. Is it fun, this polyamory thing? :-)
Nope, it's disgusting. You shouldn't ever do it. Stay far, far away
from poly people. Especially me. :-)
serene
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| Doug Kanter |
"serene" <serene@serenepages.org> wrote in message
news:1gzy6dl.1b5zqphegypazN%serene@serenepages.org...
> Doug Kanter <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "serene" <serene@serenepages.org> wrote in message
>> news:1gzy11v.ahc8rryijul6N%serene@serenepages.org...
>> > <xx1xx@excite.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
>> >> have the handle of "addman"
>> >
>> > In '98 and early '99, I was dating a man who was married (his wife
>> > knew). I had never been monogamous, but he told me about this thing
>> > called "polyamory" and pointed me to the newsgroup alt.polyamory. I've
>> > been there (and on soc.bi and other groups) ever since, always as some
>> > version of "serene".
>> >
>> > serene
>>
>> That's disgusting. Is it fun, this polyamory thing? :-)
>
> Nope, it's disgusting. You shouldn't ever do it. Stay far, far away
> from poly people. Especially me. :-)
>
> serene
OK. So, when are we going sailing with a romantic dinner?
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| salgud |
xx1xx@excite.com wrote:
> Most people have no idea what Usenet or user groups are. The first
> time I saw newsgroups was almost 2 decades ago and I was on a system
> called Portal. I was also on The Source, People Link, Compuserve, Bix
> and a host of other systems.
>
> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
> have the handle of "addman"
After a couple of aborted attempts to get online with my first home
computer, bought in '87, I managed to get connected via Compuserve when
they were big, relatively speaking, sometime in the late 80's. Don't
remember my handle from back then.
But the "polyamory" thing sounds far more interesting....
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| jmcquown |
xx1xx@excite.com wrote:
> Most people have no idea what Usenet or user groups are. The first
> time I saw newsgroups was almost 2 decades ago and I was on a system
> called Portal. I was also on The Source, People Link, Compuserve, Bix
> and a host of other systems.
>
> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
> have the handle of "addman"
Mid 1980's. Bulletin boards and a few chat rooms. Back when people were
polite and didn't show their ignorance by dumbing things down to 'u' and
'ur'. Acronyms (AFIAK! LOL) were reserved for the military :)
Jill
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| Andy |
"salgud" <davegb@safebrowse.com> wrote in news:1121804850.618272.270790
@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> But the "polyamory" thing sounds far more interesting....
>
It's a twisted and risky lifestyle on both the emotional and physical
levels.
Imho,
Andy
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| serene |
Doug Kanter <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "serene" <serene@serenepages.org> wrote in message
> news:1gzy6dl.1b5zqphegypazN%serene@serenepages.org...
> > Doug Kanter <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "serene" <serene@serenepages.org> wrote in message
> >> news:1gzy11v.ahc8rryijul6N%serene@serenepages.org...
> >> > <xx1xx@excite.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
> >> >> have the handle of "addman"
> >> >
> >> > In '98 and early '99, I was dating a man who was married (his wife
> >> > knew). I had never been monogamous, but he told me about this thing
> >> > called "polyamory" and pointed me to the newsgroup alt.polyamory. I've
> >> > been there (and on soc.bi and other groups) ever since, always as some
> >> > version of "serene".
> >> >
> >> > serene
> >>
> >> That's disgusting. Is it fun, this polyamory thing? :-)
> >
> > Nope, it's disgusting. You shouldn't ever do it. Stay far, far away
> > from poly people. Especially me. :-)
> >
> > serene
>
> OK. So, when are we going sailing with a romantic dinner?
Depends. Caught any good fish lately?
serene, newly non-vegetarian, and seafood-lover
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| Andy |
xx1xx@excite.com wrote in news:atdqd15pd05h06g8p4jqqa6h72es3r2djt@
4ax.com:
> Most people have no idea what Usenet or user groups are. The first
> time I saw newsgroups was almost 2 decades ago and I was on a system
> called Portal. I was also on The Source, People Link, Compuserve, Bix
> and a host of other systems.
>
> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
> have the handle of "addman"
I was playing craps in 6th grade in 1969 on an APL/360 computer at
school (with the phone/modem coupler) with the paper
typewriter/teletype, when a message overtook the game and printed a
greeting from the high-school computer geeks about two miles away. Took
another instant message to instuct me to:
msg Hello
That was AWESOME!
Andy
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| serene |
Andy <Q> wrote:
> "salgud" <davegb@safebrowse.com> wrote in news:1121804850.618272.270790
> @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > But the "polyamory" thing sounds far more interesting....
> >
>
> It's a twisted and risky lifestyle on both the emotional and physical
> levels.
Yet somehow we muddle through without your approval.
serene, utterly happy and healthy, thanks for asking
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| Andy |
serene@serenepages.org (serene) wrote in news:1gzyajq.pch90w19ug8vzN%
serene@serenepages.org:
> Andy <Q> wrote:
>
>> "salgud" <davegb@safebrowse.com> wrote in
news:1121804850.618272.270790
>> @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > But the "polyamory" thing sounds far more interesting....
>> >
>>
>> It's a twisted and risky lifestyle on both the emotional and physical
>> levels.
>
> Yet somehow we muddle through without your approval.
>
> serene, utterly happy and healthy, thanks for asking
>
Yet in your own words you claim it always fails!??
--
Andy
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| serene |
Andy <Q> wrote:
> serene@serenepages.org (serene) wrote in news:1gzyajq.pch90w19ug8vzN%
> serene@serenepages.org:
>
> > Andy <Q> wrote:
> >
> >> "salgud" <davegb@safebrowse.com> wrote in
> news:1121804850.618272.270790
> >> @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> >>
> >> > But the "polyamory" thing sounds far more interesting....
> >> >
> >>
> >> It's a twisted and risky lifestyle on both the emotional and physical
> >> levels.
> >
> > Yet somehow we muddle through without your approval.
> >
> > serene, utterly happy and healthy, thanks for asking
> >
>
> Yet in your own words you claim it always fails!??
What? I have no idea what you're talking about. I know happy poly
relationships that have gone on for 10, 20, and even more years. What
are you smoking?
serene
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| Andy |
serene@serenepages.org (serene) wrote in news:1gzybkw.6wg5014r1yzyN%
serene@serenepages.org:
> Andy <Q> wrote:
>
>> serene@serenepages.org (serene) wrote in news:1gzyajq.pch90w19ug8vzN%
>> serene@serenepages.org:
>>
>> > Andy <Q> wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's a twisted and risky lifestyle on both the emotional and
physical
>> >> levels.
>> >
>> > Yet somehow we muddle through without your approval.
>> >
>> > serene, utterly happy and healthy, thanks for asking
>> >
>>
>> Yet in your own words you claim it always fails!??
>
> What? I have no idea what you're talking about. I know happy poly
> relationships that have gone on for 10, 20, and even more years. What
> are you smoking?
>
> serene
serene,
I read your posts to the newsgroup you mentioned. That's what I'm
talking about and other members also agree with your credo "it won't
last."
BTW, I don't smoke.
Andy
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| Kevin_Sheehy |
xx1xx@excite.com wrote on 7/19/2005:
<snip>
> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
> have the handle of "addman"
I heard about it from Al Gore.
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| modom |
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:37:10 GMT, "rmg"
<roxmarie_nofriedspam42@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Since 1995 I've been on Usenet but I've had a lot of different email
>addresses so I've never really established much of an identity. This is the
>group I've lurked and written on the most on an on-and-off basis. I also
>like rec.gambling.poker and a bunch of the computer and web
>development-related ngs.
>cheers, rox
>
>
><xx1xx@excite.com> wrote in message
>news:atdqd15pd05h06g8p4jqqa6h72es3r2djt@4ax.com...
>> Most people have no idea what Usenet or user groups are. The first
>> time I saw newsgroups was almost 2 decades ago and I was on a system
>> called Portal. I was also on The Source, People Link, Compuserve, Bix
>> and a host of other systems.
>>
>> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
>> have the handle of "addman"
>
I was seriously lonely after moving to Cow Hill in 93. How lonely? I
once talked about arguments for the existence of God with a couple of
Jehovah's Witnesses so long that they had to leave. Just when I was
about to trot out Anselm's ontological proof, too! Thomas Aquinas
drove them away before I could intone about a "being than which
nothing greater can be conceived." I can't imagine why they suddenly
remembered dentist appointments.
So when a friend dropped in from out of town in 94 or thereabouts and
helped me with our university dialup service and pointed me to Usenet,
I was a perfect captive audience. I lurked for months on rfc before
posting. Gosh, the thrill of sending that first post (about what I
don't recall -- chile, maybe) was most heady. I was running a VT-100
virtual machine on my PC and using tin, I think. I was either that or
post-its in the entryway of the local supermarket.
OBFood: figs everywhere. D started drying our fourth batch tonight.
I'm going to redo the savory fig leather recipe for the next batch.
modom
Only superficial people don't judge by appearances.
-- Oscar Wilde
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| Bob |
<xx1xx@excite.com> asked:
> Most people have no idea what Usenet or user groups are. The first
> time I saw newsgroups was almost 2 decades ago and I was on a system
> called Portal. I was also on The Source, People Link, Compuserve, Bix
> and a host of other systems.
>
> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
> have the handle of "addman"
I was a Computer Science major (among other things) at Oregon State
University in the late 1980's. I posted a few times from there.
You're right, though, I'm astonished at the lack of visibility that Usenet
has.
Bob
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| jmcquown |
Kevin_Sheehy wrote:
> xx1xx@excite.com wrote on 7/19/2005:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
>> have the handle of "addman"
>
> I heard about it from Al Gore.
Of course; he invented the "internet" :)
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| serene |
Andy <Q> wrote:
> I read your posts to the newsgroup you mentioned. That's what I'm
> talking about and other members also agree with your credo "it won't
> last."
You read my posts on alt.poly and you think my credo is "it won't last"?
Wow, your reading comprehension sucks. I've been on that newsgroup for
years, and I met two of my partners there. Certainly if I thought that
poorly of polyamory, I wouldn't still be there?
You are confused, sir. You may have me confused with someone else, but
it is certainly not my position that poly will never last. It's lasting
just fine for me and my loved ones. (The relationships in my poly
relationship are long-term: 22 years, 15, 10, and 2.5 -- we're not
going anywhere.)
serene
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| Vilco |
Mi e' parso che xx1xx@excite.com abbia scritto:
> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online?
> I used to have the handle of "addman"
Well, I was going nuts on a programming issue, so I went on a
search engine (maybe altavista?) and it pointed me to some html
pages showing posts from a comp.* newsgroup. After some more
"altavisting" I messed up with my OE and started lurking and
posting on technical NG's.
It was around 1998, first handle was my full name and first
address was my real addie :)
BTW - at that time I surfed for a good year or two with my ISDN
modem without antivirus and without firewall and used to catch
about a virus per year. Now they would be some dozens per minute
:(
--
Vilco
Think Pink , Drink Rose'
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| Siobhan Perricone |
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:39:05 -0500, Andy <Q> wrote:
>"salgud" <davegb@safebrowse.com> wrote in news:1121804850.618272.270790
>@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> But the "polyamory" thing sounds far more interesting....
>>
>
>It's a twisted and risky lifestyle on both the emotional and physical
>levels.
Risky, yes. It's like the extreme sports version of relationships. Twisted?
Go F yourself. It's not your place to judge just 'cos it's not your cuppa.
You wanna be safe, ride the merry go round, let the people who wanna bungee
jump alone.
--
Siobhan Perricone
"You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair; then I
thought, 'Wouldn't it be much worse if life *were* fair, and all the
terrible things that happened to us come because we actually deserved
them?' So now I take great comfort in the general hostility and
unfairness of the universe."
- Marcus, Babylon 5, "A Late Delivery from Avalon"
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| Siobhan Perricone |
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:05:06 -0500, Andy <Q> wrote:
>xx1xx@excite.com wrote in news:atdqd15pd05h06g8p4jqqa6h72es3r2djt@
>4ax.com:
>
>> Most people have no idea what Usenet or user groups are. The first
>> time I saw newsgroups was almost 2 decades ago and I was on a system
>> called Portal. I was also on The Source, People Link, Compuserve, Bix
>> and a host of other systems.
>>
>> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
>> have the handle of "addman"
>
>
>I was playing craps in 6th grade in 1969 on an APL/360 computer at
>school (with the phone/modem coupler) with the paper
>typewriter/teletype, when a message overtook the game and printed a
>greeting from the high-school computer geeks about two miles away. Took
>another instant message to instuct me to:
>
>msg Hello
>
>That was AWESOME!
That's a chatter, not a newsgroup.
--
Siobhan Perricone
"You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair; then I
thought, 'Wouldn't it be much worse if life *were* fair, and all the
terrible things that happened to us come because we actually deserved
them?' So now I take great comfort in the general hostility and
unfairness of the universe."
- Marcus, Babylon 5, "A Late Delivery from Avalon"
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| Siobhan Perricone |
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:30:45 -0400, xx1xx@excite.com wrote:
>Most people have no idea what Usenet or user groups are. The first
>time I saw newsgroups was almost 2 decades ago and I was on a system
>called Portal. I was also on The Source, People Link, Compuserve, Bix
>and a host of other systems.
>
>Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
>have the handle of "addman"
I've had computers in my house ever since my father brought home a VIC-20.
It was like one of the first ones available (my dad was always buying stuff
like that) in our area. We graduated to a Commodore 64 as soon as they came
out, and I was into chatters when I was in college in 1983. After that I
was into BBSes and started posting on the BBS analog to Usenet (FidoNet)
and even owned/moderated an echo (their version of a specific newsgroup). I
owned that echo from around 1990 to around 1996 (I think). We ran a BBS out
of our house for a long time.
When I worked at a university starting in 1993, I had access to Bitnet, and
participated in several groups there until...
Eventually, around 1994, our local ISP had dial up available in our area.
We were like the second household in our town to sign up. I made the shift
to Usenet shortly after that. Though I do still participate in an old
Bitnet listserv that shifted around a couple of times. Been there since
1993. :)
--
Siobhan Perricone
"You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair; then I
thought, 'Wouldn't it be much worse if life *were* fair, and all the
terrible things that happened to us come because we actually deserved
them?' So now I take great comfort in the general hostility and
unfairness of the universe."
- Marcus, Babylon 5, "A Late Delivery from Avalon"
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| Gabby |
"jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:cikDe.8912$TU.274@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> Kevin_Sheehy wrote:
>> xx1xx@excite.com wrote on 7/19/2005:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
>>> have the handle of "addman"
>>
>> I heard about it from Al Gore.
>
> Of course; he invented the "internet" :)
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
Gabby
>
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| Monsur Fromage du Pollet |
Siobhan Perricone wrote on 20 Jul 2005 in rec.food.cooking
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:30:45 -0400, xx1xx@excite.com wrote:
>
> >Most people have no idea what Usenet or user groups are. The
> >first time I saw newsgroups was almost 2 decades ago and I was on
> >a system called Portal. I was also on The Source, People Link,
> >Compuserve, Bix and a host of other systems.
> >
> >Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used
> >to have the handle of "addman"
>
I'm just a goof that started yesterday....I've had TIs, VIC 20s,
Commadore 64's Apple II (Es and Cs) and several other versions of PCs
and clones. Used many modems (300 thru 9600 baud) till I settled on a
ISDL connection.And been involved in various BBs since the late 70's. I
lurked for a while in RFC in the early 90's and then started posting
around 97. I didn't truly get interested in the internet or usenet till
roundabout 94 when I got my first OS2 operating system. I thought
Windows 1.0 thru 3.1 were jokes and a truly useless....
--
It's not a question of where he grips it!
It's a simple question of weight ratios!
A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
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| Doug Kanter |
"serene" <serene@serenepages.org> wrote in message
news:1gzy9er.17qey7n1uj3oviN%serene@serenepages.org...
> Doug Kanter <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "serene" <serene@serenepages.org> wrote in message
>> news:1gzy6dl.1b5zqphegypazN%serene@serenepages.org...
>> > Doug Kanter <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "serene" <serene@serenepages.org> wrote in message
>> >> news:1gzy11v.ahc8rryijul6N%serene@serenepages.org...
>> >> > <xx1xx@excite.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> have the handle of "addman"
>> >> >
>> >> > In '98 and early '99, I was dating a man who was married (his wife
>> >> > knew). I had never been monogamous, but he told me about this thing
>> >> > called "polyamory" and pointed me to the newsgroup alt.polyamory.
>> >> > I've
>> >> > been there (and on soc.bi and other groups) ever since, always as
>> >> > some
>> >> > version of "serene".
>> >> >
>> >> > serene
>> >>
>> >> That's disgusting. Is it fun, this polyamory thing? :-)
>> >
>> > Nope, it's disgusting. You shouldn't ever do it. Stay far, far away
>> > from poly people. Especially me. :-)
>> >
>> > serene
>>
>> OK. So, when are we going sailing with a romantic dinner?
>
> Depends. Caught any good fish lately?
>
> serene, newly non-vegetarian, and seafood-lover
6 smallmouth bass last weekend. Didn't eat them, though.
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| tammym |
"modom" <modom@terriblekoyote.calm> wrote in message
news:q9grd1t18cghcqgcck2pon6rq35ng0ihbj@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:37:10 GMT, "rmg"
> <roxmarie_nofriedspam42@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >Since 1995 I've been on Usenet but I've had a lot of different email
> >addresses so I've never really established much of an identity. This is
the
> >group I've lurked and written on the most on an on-and-off basis. I also
> >like rec.gambling.poker and a bunch of the computer and web
> >development-related ngs.
> >cheers, rox
> >
> >
> ><xx1xx@excite.com> wrote in message
> >news:atdqd15pd05h06g8p4jqqa6h72es3r2djt@4ax.com...
> >> Most people have no idea what Usenet or user groups are. The first
> >> time I saw newsgroups was almost 2 decades ago and I was on a system
> >> called Portal. I was also on The Source, People Link, Compuserve, Bix
> >> and a host of other systems.
> >>
> >> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
> >> have the handle of "addman"
> >
> I was seriously lonely after moving to Cow Hill in 93. How lonely? I
> once talked about arguments for the existence of God with a couple of
> Jehovah's Witnesses so long that they had to leave. Just when I was
> about to trot out Anselm's ontological proof, too! Thomas Aquinas
> drove them away before I could intone about a "being than which
> nothing greater can be conceived." I can't imagine why they suddenly
> remembered dentist appointments.
>
> So when a friend dropped in from out of town in 94 or thereabouts and
> helped me with our university dialup service and pointed me to Usenet,
> I was a perfect captive audience. I lurked for months on rfc before
> posting. Gosh, the thrill of sending that first post (about what I
> don't recall -- chile, maybe) was most heady. I was running a VT-100
> virtual machine on my PC and using tin, I think. I was either that or
> post-its in the entryway of the local supermarket.
>
> OBFood: figs everywhere. D started drying our fourth batch tonight.
> I'm going to redo the savory fig leather recipe for the next batch.
<snicker at the JW epidsode>
You and I hit "town" at about the same time then, it was December of 1994
for me. I'd attended a computing class and the instructor talked about
Usenet. When he used RFC as an example of a newsgroup, I was off to the
races. I remember my first post was about garlic chicken. I also wrote a
post remarking about how much I enjoyed the posts of people like Iain
Liddell and Dan Masi, and when I got email from both of them, I nearly
swooned. Both are dear friends to this day, Iain and Mary have stayed with
me at my house, and I at theirs. I've made many many RL and virtual friends
here over the years, it's one of the better places to land in Usenet.
By the way, Modom, I wish I'd channeled you the other night for my "dinner
with mom for the holy grail of moviedom." Later realized that the bean dish
would've been better had I given it a Modom flair -- black beans, lime,
garlic, cumin, perhaps a splash of nam pla. Ahhhh, one day I'll learn
TammyM (the original WWT)
Sacramento, California
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| sf |
My head is reeling, first serene, now you? Who's next?
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:01:52 GMT, Siobhan Perricone wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:39:05 -0500, Andy <Q> wrote:
>
> >"salgud" <davegb@safebrowse.com> wrote in news:1121804850.618272.270790
> >@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> >
> >> But the "polyamory" thing sounds far more interesting....
> >>
> >
> >It's a twisted and risky lifestyle on both the emotional and physical
> >levels.
>
> Risky, yes. It's like the extreme sports version of relationships. Twisted?
> Go F yourself. It's not your place to judge just 'cos it's not your cuppa.
> You wanna be safe, ride the merry go round, let the people who wanna bungee
> jump alone.
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| sf |
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:04:58 GMT, Vilco wrote:
> BTW - at that time I surfed for a good year or two with my ISDN
> modem without antivirus and without firewall and used to catch
> about a virus per year. Now they would be some dozens per minute
I didn't use anti-virus until about 5 years ago and never got one. I
used a firewall before antivirus protection, believe it or not. These
days, you either have to be crazy or ready to reformat at a moment's
notice.
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| Max Hauser |
<xx1xx@excite.com> in news:atdqd15pd05h06g8p4jqqa6h72es3r2djt@4ax.com:
| Most people have no idea what Usenet or user groups are. ...
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| Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being
| online? I used to have the handle of "addman"
I actually recently put onto some HTTP sites a summary of the origins of
newsgroups and the sometimes confusing name "Usenet." It's true that these
tools have become overshadowed since 1993 by the HTTP and browser tools,
developed much later.
My own participation on RFC was mainly in the first 10-12 years, or until
1993 or so. There were memorable postings in that interval, not all readily
archived now, though the jerky/jerkey recipes from 1982-85 and other early
material are. (I still mean to try the jerky recipes. Beef, venison, etc.)
In those days and for the first 15 or more years of newsgroups, pseudonyms
were less common, attitudes were often more civil though never universally
so, and spam was of course almost unknown. (It was contrary to
Internet/Usenet culture, see RFC1855.)
To this and related newsgroups I posted occasional information e.g. on
cookbook authors who were not really mainstream in the US (Kenneth Lo, 6/88;
Morrison Wood, 3/92) but who were widely available on the used market, and
had influence or importance. Friends who read RFC in recent years have sent
me notable postings including Victor Sack's in January 2001 of a priceless
essay on "The Germans and Their Food." (Including William II, late 1800s:
"Dinner was good, but what pleased me most was the discipline with which it
was made.") US author Barbara Tuchman by the way, in _The Proud Tower,_
sequel of _The Guns of August,_ has many anecdotes of William II consistent
with that, though Berlin cuisine comes across less positively in Tuchman.)
I didn't realize it was Victor who posted that gem, until I re-checked it
recently. I should have guessed.
"tammym" in news:dblulm$bl1$1@skeeter.ucdavis.edu:
|
| ... me at my house, and I at theirs.
| I've made many many RL and virtual
| friends here over the years
I've seen several mentions of cooking enthusiasts who came to know each
other through this newsgroup. My own introduction to it was sort of the
reverse process. When Steve Upstill launched the newsgroup in January 1982,
he was part of an existing circle of cooking friends around Berkeley who
were also working with computers, as I mentioned in a recent posting on
"Origins" (29 Jun 2005). Various guests for dinner at the house where I
then lived still remember the routine but strange request to hold out their
arms in front of them to serve as short-term drying racks for the bands of
rolled pasta dough being cured briefly before being cut, or the ribbons of
cut pasta being partly dried. Steve's popular pragmatic pasta sauces were
the first posting here.
I don't think I mentioned before that besides cooking and working on
recipe-formatting software, Steve also was a computer graphics expert and
later wrote a book on the subject. In the 1980s, a few years after creating
this newsgroup, he joined a new computer graphics firm called Pixar.
Cheers -- Max
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| Max Hauser |
I wrote:
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| I actually recently put onto some HTTP sites a summary of the
| origins of newsgroups and the sometimes confusing name "Usenet."
Here they are.
--------
It may be worth explaining that "Usenet" is a confusing name. It was never
a "network" but the collection of newsgroups. However, newsgroups developed
from the world of computers networked informally by the store-and-forward
message capability of UUCP, the Unix-to-Unix Copy protocol. UUCP provided
email and, from 1979, "news," or public fora; it only required a telephone
modem for one computer to talk to another. (Unix operating systems and
related software, from Bell Labs, Berkeley, etc., were lingua-franca for
much of the university and research software world from the 1970s on. The
Unix user's conference was Usenix, the news capability was Usenet, and there
were other acronyms. Versions of UUCP followed for other operating systems
such as VMS and DOS.)
Confusing this picture was that many US hub computers for UUCP were also on
the Internet, the research network that had started in the late 1960s,
called ARPAnet in the 1970s and "ARPA Internet" from early 1980s. (That
network, as many people know despite after-the-fact mythmaking, consisted of
standardized communication protocols to permit diverse grantees of US DARPA,
which supported a lot of US computer research in those days, to talk to each
other.)
Newsgroups were read in the 1980s by people on the Internet per se
(including me); Internet paths also supplemented phone modems to pass
newsgroup messages, informally at first. After 1986 the Network News
Transfer Protocol (NNTP), for high-speed networks, shifted much carriage of
newsgroups to the actual Internet. UUCP and telephone modems dwindled, and
with them, the multi-day Time Warp that formerly confused exchanges on
newsgroups, and that gelled customs such as quoting context when you reply
to an earlier message (still important but not as desperately so as
originally). I recall still addressing some email as late as the early
1990s via UUCP hops (xmachine!ymachine!username) or mixed Internet-UUCP.
There were also private email networks, SprintMail, MCIMail, CompuServe,
AOL, etc.; BITNET with its mailing-list servers. Some of these services
offered newsgroup-like capabilities internally. In time they merged their
email into the existing Internet format, and sometimes gave their
subscribers access to newsgroups, the Internet's standard forum tool. The
picture evolved further with HTTP-based fora a few years later. Despite
some confusing "tutorial" definitions, "Usenet" still denotes newsgroups,
not a network per se.
Supplemental milestone recollections in case of interest:
On April 1, 1984, Piet Beertema, a Netherlands networking engineer who'd
worked to get co-operation across the Atlantic for higher bandwidth, staged
a practical joke with forged UUCP paths from the Kremlin. I posted on the
20th anniversary a summary of this "Kremvax" caper and sequelae (the Kremlin
sys admin actually named a first networking machine Kremvax, honoring
Beertema, and so on), archived currently here:
http://tinyurl.com/4zo5j
In May 1987, after a dinner, Brian Reid and associates launched a secondary
set of newsgroups within Usenet but with looser creation and distribution
requirements, the "alt" groups. Reid's motivation actually was recipes.
Among the resulting new newsgroups, alt.drugs appeared after debate. Then
Reid created alt.sex and posted the following remarks (April 3, 1988):
"That meant that the alt network now carried alt.sex and
alt.drugs. It was therefore artistically necessary to create
alt.rock-n-roll, which I have also done. I have no idea what
sort of traffic it will carry. If the bizzarroids take it over I
will rmgroup it or moderate it; otherwise I will let it be."
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| Vilco |
Mi e' parso che sf abbia scritto:
> I didn't use anti-virus until about 5 years ago and never
> got one. I used a firewall before antivirus protection,
> believe it or not. These days, you either have to be
> crazy or ready to reformat at a moment's notice.
Yes, and I'm just using only the firewall at home, no AV, never.
--
Vilco
Think Pink , Drink Rose'
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| Doug Kanter |
"Vilco" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message
news:dvKDe.10207$a5.141538@twister2.libero.it...
> Mi e' parso che sf abbia scritto:
>
>> I didn't use anti-virus until about 5 years ago and never
>> got one. I used a firewall before antivirus protection,
>> believe it or not. These days, you either have to be
>> crazy or ready to reformat at a moment's notice.
>
> Yes, and I'm just using only the firewall at home, no AV, never.
Uh oh. That will hurt you at some point.
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| sf |
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:26:11 GMT, Doug Kanter wrote:
>
> "Vilco" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message
> news:dvKDe.10207$a5.141538@twister2.libero.it...
> > Mi e' parso che sf abbia scritto:
> >
> >> I didn't use anti-virus until about 5 years ago and never
> >> got one. I used a firewall before antivirus protection,
> >> believe it or not. These days, you either have to be
> >> crazy or ready to reformat at a moment's notice.
> >
> > Yes, and I'm just using only the firewall at home, no AV, never.
>
> Uh oh. That will hurt you at some point.
>
Not if s/he only uses the computer for web surfing. If you don't keep
anything of any importance on the computer, you can reformat the
moment a virus or trojan rears it's ugly head.
sf
fighting off vx2 <ceres> on a (relative's) unprotected computer
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| Doug Kanter |
"sf" <sf@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:08gvd1pd7sve8s7eec0sk308ekro8ki1uk@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:26:11 GMT, Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>>
>> "Vilco" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:dvKDe.10207$a5.141538@twister2.libero.it...
>> > Mi e' parso che sf abbia scritto:
>> >
>> >> I didn't use anti-virus until about 5 years ago and never
>> >> got one. I used a firewall before antivirus protection,
>> >> believe it or not. These days, you either have to be
>> >> crazy or ready to reformat at a moment's notice.
>> >
>> > Yes, and I'm just using only the firewall at home, no AV, never.
>>
>> Uh oh. That will hurt you at some point.
>>
> Not if s/he only uses the computer for web surfing. If you don't keep
> anything of any importance on the computer, you can reformat the
> moment a virus or trojan rears it's ugly head.
What operating system?
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| sf |
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:48:50 GMT, Doug Kanter wrote:
> "sf" <sf@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:08gvd1pd7sve8s7eec0sk308ekro8ki1uk@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:26:11 GMT, Doug Kanter wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Vilco" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:dvKDe.10207$a5.141538@twister2.libero.it...
> >> > Mi e' parso che sf abbia scritto:
> >> >
> >> >> I didn't use anti-virus until about 5 years ago and never
> >> >> got one. I used a firewall before antivirus protection,
> >> >> believe it or not. These days, you either have to be
> >> >> crazy or ready to reformat at a moment's notice.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, and I'm just using only the firewall at home, no AV, never.
> >>
> >> Uh oh. That will hurt you at some point.
> >>
> > Not if s/he only uses the computer for web surfing. If you don't keep
> > anything of any importance on the computer, you can reformat the
> > moment a virus or trojan rears it's ugly head.
>
> What operating system?
>
I'm not advocating that method for anyone or OS, because I think it's
just plain dumb to be on the internet w/o av (or malware) protection.
Surfing the net unprotected is like having unprotected sex with
strangers.
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| Doug Kanter |
"sf" <sf@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:k4kvd112343i23fd3vq14d56kodk4oo10a@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:48:50 GMT, Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>> "sf" <sf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:08gvd1pd7sve8s7eec0sk308ekro8ki1uk@4ax.com...
>> > On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:26:11 GMT, Doug Kanter wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Vilco" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> news:dvKDe.10207$a5.141538@twister2.libero.it...
>> >> > Mi e' parso che sf abbia scritto:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I didn't use anti-virus until about 5 years ago and never
>> >> >> got one. I used a firewall before antivirus protection,
>> >> >> believe it or not. These days, you either have to be
>> >> >> crazy or ready to reformat at a moment's notice.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, and I'm just using only the firewall at home, no AV, never.
>> >>
>> >> Uh oh. That will hurt you at some point.
>> >>
>> > Not if s/he only uses the computer for web surfing. If you don't keep
>> > anything of any importance on the computer, you can reformat the
>> > moment a virus or trojan rears it's ugly head.
>>
>> What operating system?
>>
> I'm not advocating that method for anyone or OS, because I think it's
> just plain dumb to be on the internet w/o av (or malware) protection.
>
> Surfing the net unprotected is like having unprotected sex with
> strangers.
Well, I asked about the OS because I've done enough reformats to know that
it's a stupid way to deal with a virus, when you should've had AV software
to begin with. Reformat/reinstall takes hours, and maybe a day or two if you
take into account all the other software you may have had installed.
You also said "only uses the computer for web surfing". Not true. Various
nasty web sites cause the java machine to load into memory, and that
sometimes downloads virus-laden files.
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| sf |
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:04:49 GMT, Doug Kanter wrote:
> You also said "only uses the computer for web surfing". Not true.
I was implying: it's a dedicated web surfing computer. IOW the
computer isn't being used to store files, photos or anything that
you'll wish you had once it's been compromised.
> Various
> nasty web sites cause the java machine to load into memory, and that
> sometimes downloads virus-laden files.
Of course! I didn't say that couldn't happen... in fact it most
definately will. So, I repeat: Surfing the net unprotected is like
having unprotected sex with strangers.
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| Doug Kanter |
"sf" <sf@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:rrsvd19dhvc5nl1712mluuopdbarhoi78j@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:04:49 GMT, Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>> You also said "only uses the computer for web surfing". Not true.
>
> I was implying: it's a dedicated web surfing computer. IOW the
> computer isn't being used to store files, photos or anything that
> you'll wish you had once it's been compromised.
Fine, but it'll still take an absurd amount of time to reformat and
reinstall, if you include all the MS updates and restarts and blah blah
blah. Hours and hours, compared to installing even one of the decent, free
AV things just once.
I guess if your time's utterly worthless, then no AV software is the way to
go. I like doing a reformat/reinstall every year or two, but for
housekeeping reasons, not because of an oversight.
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| xx1xx@excite.com |
Andy,
You can never put yourself in someone else's shoes. Once you get into
them, with your points of view and your own lifestyles, you've lost
your impartiality and you've lost your ability to judge for someone
else.
If you stick your hand in fire, you'll be in lots of pain and can do
permantent damage. Everyone has the exact same reaction and the exact
same consequences. Your hand is no different than anyone else's.
However, you cannot use the same kind of test for relationships and
lifestyles.
For some, a polyamorous lifestyle would be tough emotionally and
physically. That's why they don't do it. For other's it might be
difficult not to be polyamorous.
Sometimes, monogomous relationships can be tough emotionally too. For
me it's the best way but I wouldn't speak for anyone else.
alan
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:39:05 -0500, Andy <Q> wrote:
>"salgud" <davegb@safebrowse.com> wrote in news:1121804850.618272.270790
>@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> But the "polyamory" thing sounds far more interesting....
>>
>
>It's a twisted and risky lifestyle on both the emotional and physical
>levels.
>
>Imho,
>
>Andy
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| Andy |
xx1xx@excite.com wrote in news:mtsvd19l86pqhe5ofedb0j6qpest0nq8j7@
4ax.com:
> Andy,
>
> You can never put yourself in someone else's shoes.
> alan
>
alan,
Stop right there! It's my opinion, no more, no less and I said so.
Andy
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| xx1xx@excite.com |
Andy,
You're right, it is just your opinion but opinions once decided that
witches should be burned at the stake, women shouldn't vote, and that
black people couldn't think and George W. Bush could. Once you call
it twisted, that turns it into an attack.
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:27:50 -0500, Andy <Q> wrote:
>xx1xx@excite.com wrote in news:mtsvd19l86pqhe5ofedb0j6qpest0nq8j7@
>4ax.com:
>
>> Andy,
>>
>> You can never put yourself in someone else's shoes.
>> alan
>>
>
>alan,
>
>Stop right there! It's my opinion, no more, no less and I said so.
>
>Andy
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| xx1xx@excite.com |
There were people who were able to put web sites on Apple IIE
computers. They were called DDials and I think they were able to do 7
people at once. Then if they linked up to another computer, they
could do 12. I remember seeing huge networks. That was a result of
the huge charges by The Source $7.95 an hour, Compuserve was at $4.95,
People Link at $3.00.
Then there was PC Pursuit that let you call another computer and chat
or download or whatever for 100 hours a month for, I can't remember
the amount but it might have been $29. That's when I went on Portal
and where I first saw usenet
In the early 90s a bunch of us, from the other systems went to BIX (I
think McGraw Hill ran it). I'll never forget one night talking in an
open channel to a girl from Yugoslavia. She was on their Olympic Ski
Team and she busted up her leg and wanted to try tennis. While she
was online with us, her husband called. He was a little panicky
because he heard bombs going off very near where he worked. She said
they were Croatians but most of us had no idea what that was. We
were hearing about the beginnings of all the trouble in
Yugoslavia/Bosnia and didn't know until later what actualy happening
there.
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:29:23 -0500, "jmcquown"
<jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>xx1xx@excite.com wrote:
>> Most people have no idea what Usenet or user groups are. The first
>> time I saw newsgroups was almost 2 decades ago and I was on a system
>> called Portal. I was also on The Source, People Link, Compuserve, Bix
>> and a host of other systems.
>>
>> Where did you all hear about newsgroups and being online? I used to
>> have the handle of "addman"
>
>Mid 1980's. Bulletin boards and a few chat rooms. Back when people were
>polite and didn't show their ignorance by dumbing things down to 'u' and
>'ur'. Acronyms (AFIAK! LOL) were reserved for the military :)
>
>Jill
>
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| Andy |
xx1xx@excite.com wrote in news:0340e1l3qjpvbgora80sm1ecg81kqraj3m@
4ax.com:
> Once you call
> it twisted, that turns it into an attack.
alan,
Opinions didn't burn witches at the stake, lynch mobs did--incapable of
free thought, power in numbers mentality won the day.
I'll rest on the 7th and 10th commandments as the basis for my opinion.
You call an opinion an attack? I'm not going to entertain that idea!
Andy
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| Default User |
Andy wrote:
> xx1xx@excite.com wrote in news:0340e1l3qjpvbgora80sm1ecg81kqraj3m@
> 4ax.com:
>
> > Once you call
> > it twisted, that turns it into an attack.
>
> alan,
>
> Opinions didn't burn witches at the stake, lynch mobs did--incapable
> of free thought, power in numbers mentality won the day.
Most executions for witchcraft weren't due to mob action, but through
the court system.
Brian
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| Andy |
"Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote in news:3kambmFtgigiU2
@individual.net:
> Most executions for witchcraft weren't due to mob action, but through
> the court system.
LOL!
Andy
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| Bob |
Taking xx1xx@excite.com COMPLETELY out of context:
> They were called DDials and I think they were able to do 7 people at once.
Now THAT'S polyamory!
Bob
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| sf |
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:21:19 GMT, Doug Kanter wrote:
> I guess if your time's utterly worthless, then no AV software is the way to
> go. I like doing a reformat/reinstall every year or two, but for
> housekeeping reasons, not because of an oversight.
The person I know who has that attitude has a Mac and he acts like
reformatting is as easy as brushing your teeth. The computer is a
work computer (used for what? I dunno), but he's the boss. The
computer will be a write off if it's a gonner.... and I'd be willing
to bet he doesn't do/keep anything of importance on that one.
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| serene |
Andy <Q> wrote:
> I'll rest on the 7th and 10th commandments as the basis for my opinion.
You mean these? [If this is confusing to you, see http://jhuger.com ]
VII
And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat
harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end. Thrice in the
year shall all your menchildren appear before the LORD God, the God of
Israel. For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy
borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to
appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year.
X Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.
Had beef stroganoff lately? How was your feast of weeks this year?
ObFood: I ate lunch at Google today. Amazing. Seared scallops in Thai
curry sauce with red pepper puree garnish; the best pad thai ever;
broccoli and green beans in a lovely brown sauce; and a
raw-tuna-and-avocado poke (is poke the word? help me out here). Best
buffet lunch I've ever had, and the price was better than right.
serene, whose first reaction to the commandment thing was, "Cool; then
those of us who think the bible is a bunch of crap are off the hook"
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| Vilco |
Mi e' parso che Doug Kanter abbia scritto:
>> Yes, and I'm just using only the firewall at home, no
>> AV, never.
> Uh oh. That will hurt you at some point.
If I'd start to download files from unknown servers/domains, yes,
an AV would be necessary, but I never do it, so I don't need an
AV, just my firewall.
If I need something, I go for it on reliable sites. Never
happened to need something I can not find on reliable sites.
And when the next Sasser or whatsitsname will come, many AV will
be fooled up while a plain simple old firewall will block the
door they need to come in.
I have seen many people getting various viruses even though they
had an expensive and up-to-date AV. This said, no AV here.
--
Vilco
Think Pink , Drink Rose'
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| Bob |
serene wrote:
> ObFood: I ate lunch at Google today. Amazing. Seared scallops in Thai
> curry sauce with red pepper puree garnish; the best pad thai ever;
> broccoli and green beans in a lovely brown sauce; and a
> raw-tuna-and-avocado poke (is poke the word? help me out here). Best
> buffet lunch I've ever had, and the price was better than right.
Could you please give more information about where Google is? I can't find a
listing for it in the 510, 707, or 415 area codes.
Bob
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| sarah bennett |
serene wrote:
> Andy <Q> wrote:
>
>
>>I'll rest on the 7th and 10th commandments as the basis for my opinion.
>
>
> You mean these? [If this is confusing to you, see http://jhuger.com ]
>
> VII
>
> And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat
> harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end. Thrice in the
> year shall all your menchildren appear before the LORD God, the God of
> Israel. For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy
> borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to
> appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year.
>
> X Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.
>
> Had beef stroganoff lately? How was your feast of weeks this year?
>
> ObFood: I ate lunch at Google today. Amazing. Seared scallops in Thai
> curry sauce with red pepper puree garnish; the best pad thai ever;
> broccoli and green beans in a lovely brown sauce; and a
> raw-tuna-and-avocado poke (is poke the word? help me out here). Best
> buffet lunch I've ever had, and the price was better than right.
>
> serene, whose first reaction to the commandment thing was, "Cool; then
> those of us who think the bible is a bunch of crap are off the hook"
my first reaction to the commandment thing is always "well, if the bible
means so much to them, why arent they keeping the other 400-odd
commandments that are applicable?"
--
saerah
"It's not a gimmick, it's an incentive."- asterbark, afca
aware of the manifold possibilities of the future
"I think there's a clause in the Shaman's and Jujumen's Local #57 Union
contract that they have to have reciprocity for each other's shop rules."
-König Prüß
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Bob <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
> serene wrote:
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> > ObFood: I ate lunch at Google today. Amazing. Seared scallops in Thai
> > curry sauce with red pepper puree garnish; the best pad thai ever;
> > broccoli and green beans in a lovely brown sauce; and a
> > raw-tuna-and-avocado poke (is poke the word? help me out here). Best
> > buffet lunch I've ever had, and the price was better than right.
>
> Could you please give more information about where Google is? I can't find a
> listing for it in the 510, 707, or 415 area codes.
It's in Mountain View (1600 Amphitheatre Parkway) but you can't just go
have lunch there; you have to have an invitation from an employee, and
the employees have two invites a month to give out.
serene
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:38:53 GMT, Vilco wrote:
> Mi e' parso che Doug Kanter abbia scritto:
>
> >> Yes, and I'm just using only the firewall at home, no
> >> AV, never.
>
> > Uh oh. That will hurt you at some point.
>
> If I'd start to download files from unknown servers/domains, yes,
> an AV would be necessary, but I never do it, so I don't need an
> AV, just my firewall.
> If I need something, I go for it on reliable sites. Never
> happened to need something I can not find on reliable sites.
> And when the next Sasser or whatsitsname will come, many AV will
> be fooled up while a plain simple old firewall will block the
> door they need to come in.
> I have seen many people getting various viruses even though they
> had an expensive and up-to-date AV. This said, no AV here.
A firewall is good, but not omnipotent. I use a router (built in
firewall) but I still have minor problems when I scan.
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