| itsjoannotjoann |
Things I have learned from watching the news on TV during the last
eight
days:
The hurricane only hit black families' property.
New Orleans was devastated and no other city was affected by the
hurricane.
Mississippi is reported to have a tree blown down.
New Orleans has no white people.
The hurricane blew a limb off a tree in the yard of an Alabama
resident.
When you are hungry after a hurricane, steal a big screen TV.
The hurricane did 23 billion dollars in improvements to New Orleans:
now
the city is welfare, looters and gang-free and they are in your city.
White folks don't make good news stories.
Don't give thanks to the thousands that came to help rescue you,
instead
bitch because the government hasn't given you a debit card yet.
Only black family members got separated in the hurricane rescue
efforts.
Ignore warnings to evacuate and the white folks will come get you and
give you money for being stupid.
I feel so sorry for all those black folks. The only way it could have
been worse was to be white.
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| Wayne Boatwright |
On Sat 24 Sep 2005 03:24:05p, itsjoannotjoann wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> Things I have learned from watching the news on TV during the last
> eight
> days:
>
>
>
> The hurricane only hit black families' property.
>
>
> New Orleans was devastated and no other city was affected by the
> hurricane.
>
>
> Mississippi is reported to have a tree blown down.
>
>
> New Orleans has no white people.
>
>
> The hurricane blew a limb off a tree in the yard of an Alabama
> resident.
>
>
> When you are hungry after a hurricane, steal a big screen TV.
>
>
> The hurricane did 23 billion dollars in improvements to New Orleans:
> now
> the city is welfare, looters and gang-free and they are in your city.
>
>
> White folks don't make good news stories.
>
>
> Don't give thanks to the thousands that came to help rescue you,
> instead
> bitch because the government hasn't given you a debit card yet.
>
>
> Only black family members got separated in the hurricane rescue
> efforts.
>
>
> Ignore warnings to evacuate and the white folks will come get you and
> give you money for being stupid.
>
>
> I feel so sorry for all those black folks. The only way it could have
> been worse was to be white.
You must have been watching the same channel I did!
--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________
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If assholes could fly, this place would be an airport.
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| modom |
On 24 Sep 2005 15:24:05 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
<itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
A lot of stupid, racist crap.
modom
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| Dan Abel |
In article <48nbj1l9vkka701ss2ijvvnea7112grj27@4ax.com>,
modom <modom@nonkoyote.com> wrote:
> On 24 Sep 2005 15:24:05 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
> <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> A lot of stupid, racist crap.
There's some truth to what you post, and some truth to the fact that the
presentation of the post was not kind. But it's also true that most of
the coverage that I saw involved black people. Who's racism is that, if
any?
Of course, where I live, we don't have weather (California). That's
good and that's bad. I happen to like it. I went camping last week,
and slept in my preferred bed clothing (nothing). It was in the mid
forties in the morning, but quickly warmed up.
Although we don't have weather here, we do have the occasional
earthquake. One thing about the OP that struck a chord was that
according to media reports, Katrina only hit NO, no where else. We had
the great San Francisco earthquake of '89 here. Except that it hit
almost 100 miles SOUTH of SF. The media people didn't want to go down
there, because of some sort of problems down there, like maybe an
earthquake or something. Accommodations and food were much better in
SF, and there weren't all those wrecked buildings and impassible roads
and such. Still, the media people suffered severe shortages and
hardships. White stretch limos had to be brought in from as far away as
Salt Lake City!
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| JimLane |
modom wrote:
> On 24 Sep 2005 15:24:05 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
> <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> A lot of stupid, racist crap.
>
>
> modom
But, unfortunately, that seems to be the way the TV nets carried it.
Blame them.
jim
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| zxcvbob |
modom wrote:
> On 24 Sep 2005 15:24:05 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
> <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> A lot of stupid, racist crap.
>
>
> modom
Yes it is racist crap. But it's also a fair summary of most of the news
reports from Hurricane Katrina.
Apparently black people suffering in New Orleans makes better television
than more balanced reporting -- perhaps because somehow it was all
Dubya's fault. And if it wasn't really his fault, maybe we can make it
his fault if we spin it right.
Contrast it with the coverage with of Hurricane Rita.
Best regards,
Bob
P.S. How did we get from "Katrina" to "Rita" in just 3 weeks? I
thought tropical storm names ran alphabetically.
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| Sheldon |
JimLane wrote:
> modom wrote:
> > On 24 Sep 2005 15:24:05 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
> > <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
> >
> > A lot of stupid, racist crap.
> >
> >
> > modom
>
> But, unfortunately, that seems to be the way the TV nets carried it.
> Blame them.
Not racist at all. NOLA and much of the gulf coast is composed of a
huge black population, primarilly impoverished, that's a truth. Some
can't abide with truth, especially when it doesn't compute with their
personal/subjective views of political correctness. What would yoose
prefer, whitewashing. I watch the news too, the same news as everyone
else... the thing speaks for itself (res ipsa loquitor)... picture
worth thousand woids. And I have a $10,000 big screen SONY with all
the bells and whistles, it's color is adjusted poifectly... and I
didn't loot it. I don't know about how you determine truth but I call
a spade a spade.
Sheldon Confucious
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| nancree |
Bob wrote:
"P.S. How did we get from "Katrina" to "Rita" in just 3 weeks? I
thought tropical storm names ran alphabetically."
========================
Hurricanes 2005
1. Arlene
2. Bret
3. Cindy
4. Dennis
5. Emily
6. Franklin
7. Gert
8. Harvey
9. Irene
10. Jose
11. Katrina
12. Lee
13. Maria
14. Nate
15. Ophelia
16. Philippe
17. Rita
18. Stan
19. Tammy
20. Vince
21. Wilma
Nancree
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| Denny Wheeler |
On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:12:28 -0500, modom <modom@nonkoyote.com> wrote:
>On 24 Sep 2005 15:24:05 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
><itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>A lot of stupid, racist crap.
I guess you're one of the brilliant analysts who consider _Huckleberry
Finn_ racist?
Any racism in that post is reflected from the media coverage.
(try thinking next time, instead of hitting yourself in the jaw when
your knee jerks)
--
-denny-
"I don't like it when a whole state starts
acting like a marital aid."
"John R. Campbell" in a Usenet post.
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| -L. |
modom wrote:
> On 24 Sep 2005 15:24:05 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
> <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> A lot of stupid, racist crap.
>
>
> modom
Yep. And I hate that ****.
-L.
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| -L. |
JimLane wrote:
> modom wrote:
> > On 24 Sep 2005 15:24:05 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
> > <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
> >
> > A lot of stupid, racist crap.
> >
> >
> > modom
>
> But, unfortunately, that seems to be the way the TV nets carried it.
> Blame them.
>
>
> jim
Oh, you think "The only way it could have
been worse was to be white. " isn't worth blame? The OP is a *******
asshole.
And what about the news media showing black "looters" vs white
"finders"? Talk about racist crap!
-L.
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| -L. |
nancree wrote:
> Bob wrote:
>
> "P.S. How did we get from "Katrina" to "Rita" in just 3 weeks? I
> thought tropical storm names ran alphabetically."
Not all hurricanes are reported, or develop into storms that approach
the US. Lee through Phillipe didn't make the news.
-L.
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| Puester |
modom wrote:
> On 24 Sep 2005 15:24:05 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
> <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> A lot of stupid, racist crap.
>
>
> modom
Thanks. I was trying to formulate a reply and you did
it for me and quite well.
gloria p
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| Ward Abbott |
On 24 Sep 2005 15:24:05 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
<itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>Things I have learned from watching the news on TV during the last
>eight
>days:
>
>
>
>The hurricane only hit black families' property.
my goodness...you are the MOST misinformed person on this planet.
where have you been sleeping...since consciousness has not been your
forte...
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| modom |
On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:05:17 GMT, Dan Abel <dabel@sonic.net> wrote:
>In article <48nbj1l9vkka701ss2ijvvnea7112grj27@4ax.com>,
> modom <modom@nonkoyote.com> wrote:
>
>> On 24 Sep 2005 15:24:05 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
>> <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> A lot of stupid, racist crap.
>
>There's some truth to what you post, and some truth to the fact that the
>presentation of the post was not kind. But it's also true that most of
>the coverage that I saw involved black people. Who's racism is that, if
>any?
Indeed. America's racist structure, our pernicious failure to address
the production of a ready-made class of storm victims was laid bare
for the world to see in the aftermath of Katrina. That's precisely
why the schadenfreude evident in the OP was inexcusable. And hiding
behind an alleged media critique is a pissant alibi. And not only
because it's not an accurate account of the reporting from NOLA,
Gulfport, Mobile, and St. Bernard Parish that I personally read, heard
and watched. Black and white, we are Americans, and that means
something to me at least. We have a responsibility to comfort and aid
those among us who are in need. We have a compact with each other
that includes recognizing the dignity of others. Since the flooding
of that poor, once beautiful city, I have absolutely no tolerance for
racism. It has to stop with us. Now.
modom
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| Bob Terwilliger |
Ward wrote:
>>Things I have learned from watching the news on TV during the last
>>eight days:
>>
>>The hurricane only hit black families' property.
>
> my goodness...you are the MOST misinformed person on this planet.
>
> where have you been sleeping...since consciousness has not been your
> forte...
Joan's point was clearly that the media coverage was biased. I'm pretty sure
she doesn't believe any of the points she posted.
NOW do you understand? Or is cognition not your forte?
Bob
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| itsjoannotjoann |
Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Ward wrote:
>
> >>Things I have learned from watching the news on TV during the last
> >>eight days:
> >>
> >>The hurricane only hit black families' property.
> >
> > my goodness...you are the MOST misinformed person on this planet.
> >
> > where have you been sleeping...since consciousness has not been your
> > forte...
>
>
> Joan's point was clearly that the media coverage was biased. I'm pretty sure
> she doesn't believe any of the points she posted.
>
> NOW do you understand? Or is cognition not your forte?
>
> Bob
It certainly is nice to see that SOME of you can read this post for
what it is. The biased reporting of our fine, wonderful, and most of
all truthful news networks. As far they were concerned Mississippi and
Alabama are somewhere around North Dakota and not very news worthy.
But some of you gave the always familiar kneejerk. To those, I say
thanks, I knew I could depend on you to come in with your well thought
out comments about me being a ******* asshole, sputtering and screaming
the whole time about how dare I post this. You got your news from the
same networks we all did but you couldn't see how slanted it was.
No Bob, recognition is not their forte. What is reported on tv is
always the truth and how dare I challenge it.
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| modom |
On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:13:08 -0700, Denny Wheeler
<dennyw@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote:
>On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:12:28 -0500, modom <modom@nonkoyote.com> wrote:
>
>>On 24 Sep 2005 15:24:05 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
>><itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>>A lot of stupid, racist crap.
>
>I guess you're one of the brilliant analysts who consider _Huckleberry
>Finn_ racist?
No.
>
>Any racism in that post is reflected from the media coverage.
No.
The post contained this statement:
"Only black family members got separated in the hurricane rescue
efforts."
That is racially divisive and a lie. As I already said in another
post, hiding behind an ill conceived attempt at a media critique is a
pissant alibi. That the post addressed race at all reflects a bias
about what is normal in America. The norm in NOLA ain't white.
Furthermore I personally saw pictures of white kids on TV during the
weekend attempt to reunite families and locate missing kids.
And this one:
"Ignore warnings to evacuate and the white folks will come get you and
give you money for being stupid."
That is not accurate and racist. CNN reported that 38% of those who
stayed behind couldn't leave because they were either disabled or
caring for a disabled person who couldn't leave. Poverty and simply
not having a car accounted for large percentages of others who did not
flee the storm.
And this one:
"The hurricane only hit black families' property."
That is not accurate and racist. Anybody atending to the coverage of
the disaster saw plenty of stories about property damage among white
communities, many of them heart-wrenching.
>(try thinking next time, instead of hitting yourself in the jaw when
>your knee jerks)
Thanks for the advice. You might try reading it out loud to yourself.
modom
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| Wayne Boatwright |
On Sat 24 Sep 2005 07:20:33p, itsjoannotjoann wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>> Ward wrote:
>>
>> >>Things I have learned from watching the news on TV during the last
>> >>eight days:
>> >>
>> >>The hurricane only hit black families' property.
>> >
>> > my goodness...you are the MOST misinformed person on this planet.
>> >
>> > where have you been sleeping...since consciousness has not been your
>> > forte...
>>
>>
>> Joan's point was clearly that the media coverage was biased. I'm pretty
>> sure she doesn't believe any of the points she posted.
>>
>> NOW do you understand? Or is cognition not your forte?
>>
>> Bob
>
>
> It certainly is nice to see that SOME of you can read this post for
> what it is. The biased reporting of our fine, wonderful, and most of
> all truthful news networks. As far they were concerned Mississippi and
> Alabama are somewhere around North Dakota and not very news worthy.
> But some of you gave the always familiar kneejerk. To those, I say
> thanks, I knew I could depend on you to come in with your well thought
> out comments about me being a ******* asshole, sputtering and screaming
> the whole time about how dare I post this. You got your news from the
> same networks we all did but you couldn't see how slanted it was.
>
> No Bob, recognition is not their forte. What is reported on tv is
> always the truth and how dare I challenge it.
>
I tried to just stay out of the fray, but I totally understood what you
wrote and totally agree with it.
--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________
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If assholes could fly, this place would be an airport.
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| Sheldon |
Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Ward wrote:
>
> >>Things I have learned from watching the news on TV during the last
> >>eight days:
> >>
> >>The hurricane only hit black families' property.
> >
> > my goodness...you are the MOST misinformed person on this planet.
> >
> > where have you been sleeping...since consciousness has not been your
> > forte...
>
>
> Joan's point was clearly that the media coverage was biased. I'm pretty sure
> she doesn't believe any of the points she posted.
>
> NOW do you understand? Or is cognition not your forte?
Obviously not many have watched SNL.
satire
noun
1 : a literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or
scorn
2 : trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice
or folly
synonym see WIT
---
Sheldon
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| JimLane |
-L. wrote:
> JimLane wrote:
>
>>modom wrote:
>>
>>>On 24 Sep 2005 15:24:05 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
>>><itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>A lot of stupid, racist crap.
>>>
>>>
>>>modom
>>
>>But, unfortunately, that seems to be the way the TV nets carried it.
>>Blame them.
>>
>>
>>jim
>
>
> Oh, you think "The only way it could have
> been worse was to be white. " isn't worth blame? The OP is a *******
> asshole.
>
> And what about the news media showing black "looters" vs white
> "finders"? Talk about racist crap!
>
> -L.
>
Right over your head. Did not say that at all. I said that was the way
the news reported it, so if it seems that way, blame them. There were
certainly others besides blacks who were hung out to dry. There was
certainly significant damage elsewhere, but the news maintained their
focus on the poor blacks in NOLA. Statement of fact.
Unfortunately, balance in the news went its way with the 1968 Democratic
Convention. That is when the news media began making the news themselves
by their mere presence and by the way they present the story.
I've seen demonstrations where a total of 20 people have turned out, but
because the cause was sympathetic, the news has done their best to
conceal the numbers and make it look far larger than it was. Once you
have seen the same person with the same sign three times in the same
story, it should sink in.
jim
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| JimLane |
Sheldon wrote:
> JimLane wrote:
>
>>modom wrote:
>>
>>>On 24 Sep 2005 15:24:05 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
>>><itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>A lot of stupid, racist crap.
>>>
>>>
>>>modom
>>
>>But, unfortunately, that seems to be the way the TV nets carried it.
>>Blame them.
>
>
>
> Not racist at all. NOLA and much of the gulf coast is composed of a
> huge black population, primarilly impoverished, that's a truth. Some
> can't abide with truth, especially when it doesn't compute with their
> personal/subjective views of political correctness. What would yoose
> prefer, whitewashing. I watch the news too, the same news as everyone
> else... the thing speaks for itself (res ipsa loquitor)... picture
> worth thousand woids. And I have a $10,000 big screen SONY with all
> the bells and whistles, it's color is adjusted poifectly... and I
> didn't loot it. I don't know about how you determine truth but I call
> a spade a spade.
>
> Sheldon Confucious
>
I am not naive enough to believe that the news media reports anything
with any degree of balance, sheldon. If you do, then you are a pollyanna.
jim
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| Sheldon |
itsdumbestmother****ernotjoann wrote:
> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> > Ward wrote:
> >
> > >>Things I have learned from watching the news on TV during the last
> > >>eight days:
> > >>
> > >>The hurricane only hit black families' property.
> > >
> > > my goodness...you are the MOST misinformed person on this planet.
> > >
> > > where have you been sleeping...since consciousness has not been your
> > > forte...
> >
> >
> > Joan's point was clearly that the media coverage was biased. I'm pretty sure
> > she doesn't believe any of the points she posted.
> >
> > NOW do you understand? Or is cognition not your forte?
> >
> > Bob
>
>
> It certainly is nice to see that SOME of you can read this post for
> what it is. The biased reporting of our fine, wonderful, and most of
> all truthful news networks. As far they were concerned Mississippi and
> Alabama are somewhere around North Dakota and not very news worthy.
> But some of you gave the always familiar kneejerk. To those, I say
> thanks, I knew I could depend on you to come in with your well thought
> out comments about me being a ******* asshole, sputtering and screaming
> the whole time about how dare I post this. You got your news from the
> same networks we all did but you couldn't see how slanted it was.
>
> No Bob, recognition is not their forte. What is reported on tv is
> always the truth and how dare I challenge it.
You posted that (something you obviously stole off the net) and now
posting this makes you the dumbest mother****er rfc has ever seen. Get
the **** out of here, IMBECILE!
Sheldon
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| modom |
On 24 Sep 2005 19:20:33 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
<itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>> Ward wrote:
>>
>> >>Things I have learned from watching the news on TV during the last
>> >>eight days:
>> >>
>> >>The hurricane only hit black families' property.
>> >
>> > my goodness...you are the MOST misinformed person on this planet.
>> >
>> > where have you been sleeping...since consciousness has not been your
>> > forte...
>>
>>
>> Joan's point was clearly that the media coverage was biased. I'm pretty sure
>> she doesn't believe any of the points she posted.
>>
>> NOW do you understand? Or is cognition not your forte?
>>
>> Bob
>
>
>It certainly is nice to see that SOME of you can read this post for
>what it is. The biased reporting of our fine, wonderful, and most of
>all truthful news networks. As far they were concerned Mississippi and
>Alabama are somewhere around North Dakota and not very news worthy.
>But some of you gave the always familiar kneejerk. To those, I say
>thanks, I knew I could depend on you to come in with your well thought
>out comments about me being a ******* asshole, sputtering and screaming
>the whole time about how dare I post this. You got your news from the
>same networks we all did but you couldn't see how slanted it was.
>
I neither sputtered nor screamed.
However, you've got yourself a heck of an epistemological problem
here. Asserting that news coverage is biased presumes you have a more
objective understanding than the news sources you pretend to critique.
You assume you have knowledge beyond what is reported in asserting
there is bias. What is the source of this knowledge? It can be had
either first hand or via reporting. If the reporting is wrong, then
where does your information come from? Do voices tell you the news?
A smug declaration that your ethnicity and your point of view is more
normal or objective than that which you find irritating is hardly a
media critique. And the presumption that so many Black faces in the
coverage of this disaster constitutes bias is itself racist. The only
apparent bias here is yours.
modom
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| Gregory Morrow |
JimLane wrote:
> I am not naive enough to believe that the news media reports anything
> with any degree of balance, sheldon. If you do, then you are a pollyanna.
>
So pray tell where do *you* get your nooze...???
--
Best
Greg
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| modom |
On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 03:31:16 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
< gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@earth
link.net> wrote:
>
>JimLane wrote:
>
>> I am not naive enough to believe that the news media reports anything
>> with any degree of balance, sheldon. If you do, then you are a pollyanna.
>>
>
>
>So pray tell where do *you* get your nooze...???
It's the little voices, I tell you, the voices.
modom
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| itsjoannotjoann |
Sheldon wrote:
> itsdumbestmother****ernotjoann wrote:
> >
> > No Bob, recognition is not their forte. What is reported on tv is
> > always the truth and how dare I challenge it.
>
> You posted that (something you obviously stole off the net) and now
> posting this makes you the dumbest mother****er rfc has ever seen. Get
> the **** out of here, IMBECILE!
>
> Sheldon
Man, oh man, you flop around from one side to the other like a goldfish
out of his bowl. Amusing.
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| JimLane |
Gregory Morrow wrote:
> JimLane wrote:
>
>
>>I am not naive enough to believe that the news media reports anything
>>with any degree of balance, sheldon. If you do, then you are a pollyanna.
>>
>
>
>
> So pray tell where do *you* get your nooze...???
>
From hither, thither and yon. Remember, if you agree with the news you
hear, they are writing to your viewpoint left or right; if you disagree
then it is to someone else's. The truth usually lies somewhere between.
Remember that proverbial grain of salt? Try the whole box of Morton's
with media.
jim
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| JimLane |
modom wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 03:31:16 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> < gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@earth
link.net> wrote:
>
>
>>JimLane wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I am not naive enough to believe that the news media reports anything
>>>with any degree of balance, sheldon. If you do, then you are a pollyanna.
>>>
>>
>>
>>So pray tell where do *you* get your nooze...???
>
>
> It's the little voices, I tell you, the voices.
>
>
> modom
SHHHHHH! Remember, children should be seen and not heard giving away
secrets!
jim
;->
(btw, modom, my new spell checker tries to make you into Sodom. hmmmm.)
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| JimLane |
Sheldon wrote:
> itsdumbestmother****ernotjoann wrote:
>
>>Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>
>>>Ward wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Things I have learned from watching the news on TV during the last
>>>>>eight days:
>>>>>
>>>>>The hurricane only hit black families' property.
>>>>
>>>>my goodness...you are the MOST misinformed person on this planet.
>>>>
>>>>where have you been sleeping...since consciousness has not been your
>>>>forte...
>>>
>>>
>>>Joan's point was clearly that the media coverage was biased. I'm pretty sure
>>>she doesn't believe any of the points she posted.
>>>
>>>NOW do you understand? Or is cognition not your forte?
>>>
>>>Bob
>>
>>
>>It certainly is nice to see that SOME of you can read this post for
>>what it is. The biased reporting of our fine, wonderful, and most of
>>all truthful news networks. As far they were concerned Mississippi and
>>Alabama are somewhere around North Dakota and not very news worthy.
>>But some of you gave the always familiar kneejerk. To those, I say
>>thanks, I knew I could depend on you to come in with your well thought
>>out comments about me being a ******* asshole, sputtering and screaming
>>the whole time about how dare I post this. You got your news from the
>>same networks we all did but you couldn't see how slanted it was.
>>
>>No Bob, recognition is not their forte. What is reported on tv is
>>always the truth and how dare I challenge it.
>
>
> You posted that (something you obviously stole off the net) and now
> posting this makes you the dumbest mother****er rfc has ever seen. Get
> the **** out of here, IMBECILE!
>
> Sheldon
>
Off your meds again, shellie?
jim
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| JimLane |
modom wrote:
> On 24 Sep 2005 19:20:33 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
> <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>
>>>Ward wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Things I have learned from watching the news on TV during the last
>>>>>eight days:
>>>>>
>>>>>The hurricane only hit black families' property.
>>>>
>>>>my goodness...you are the MOST misinformed person on this planet.
>>>>
>>>>where have you been sleeping...since consciousness has not been your
>>>>forte...
>>>
>>>
>>>Joan's point was clearly that the media coverage was biased. I'm pretty sure
>>>she doesn't believe any of the points she posted.
>>>
>>>NOW do you understand? Or is cognition not your forte?
>>>
>>>Bob
>>
>>
>>It certainly is nice to see that SOME of you can read this post for
>>what it is. The biased reporting of our fine, wonderful, and most of
>>all truthful news networks. As far they were concerned Mississippi and
>>Alabama are somewhere around North Dakota and not very news worthy.
>>But some of you gave the always familiar kneejerk. To those, I say
>>thanks, I knew I could depend on you to come in with your well thought
>>out comments about me being a ******* asshole, sputtering and screaming
>>the whole time about how dare I post this. You got your news from the
>>same networks we all did but you couldn't see how slanted it was.
>>
>
>
> I neither sputtered nor screamed.
>
> However, you've got yourself a heck of an epistemological problem
> here. Asserting that news coverage is biased presumes you have a more
> objective understanding than the news sources you pretend to critique.
> You assume you have knowledge beyond what is reported in asserting
> there is bias. What is the source of this knowledge? It can be had
> either first hand or via reporting. If the reporting is wrong, then
> where does your information come from? Do voices tell you the news?
>
> A smug declaration that your ethnicity and your point of view is more
> normal or objective than that which you find irritating is hardly a
> media critique. And the presumption that so many Black faces in the
> coverage of this disaster constitutes bias is itself racist. The only
> apparent bias here is yours.
>
>
> modom
I guess the coverage of the 1968 Democratic Convention was before your
time, because if it wasn't, you would have your answer. There have been
studies done from the right and the left on news bias - each saying the
very same media is biased the opposite way.
For something in your own time frame, you can take the supposedly "No
Spin Zone" and look at it critically. IF you do, you would realize that
it is spinning so rapidly, that were you not one of its crowd, it would
spin you right out into space. Who needs a rocket booster? No one, just
try landing on the no spin zone.
jim
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| lookie.here@gmail.com |
I think the OP was trying to make a point about the failure of the
American News Media to deliver accurate and un-biased reporting.
I don't think you can believe one-tenth of one percent of what you hear
on the nightly news. I think that was the point that he was trying to
make.
chula
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itsjoannotjoann wrote:
> It certainly is nice to see that SOME of you can read this post for
> what it is. The biased reporting of our fine, wonderful, and most of
> all truthful news networks. As far they were concerned Mississippi and
> Alabama are somewhere around North Dakota and not very news worthy.
> But some of you gave the always familiar kneejerk. To those, I say
> thanks, I knew I could depend on you to come in with your well thought
> out comments about me being a ******* asshole, sputtering and screaming
> the whole time about how dare I post this.
Any time you make blatant remarks like "the only way it could be worse
is if they were white" or whatever the **** it was, yeah, I'm going to
call you a ******* asshole. Don't say **** like that, even in jest,
unless you want to be marked for one.
>You got your news from the
> same networks we all did but you couldn't see how slanted it was.
Pssst...here's a clue: Some of us don't watch the mainstream news.
Because some of us know what schlop it really is.
>
> No Bob, recognition is not their forte. What is reported on tv is
> always the truth and how dare I challenge it.
What was your point, really? That black people are getting more
coverage than whites? Seems to me every news link I clicked during the
first 48 hours of Katrina showed white folk in distress. In fact, I
don't remember seeing hardly a black face. Until, of course, the
"shooting and looting" started. Then covering black people in NO was
ok.
If you think the media is biased against white people, you are
completely ****ed in the head. Nothing I can say will ever change your
mind, blinded by the "white" as you are.
-L.
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| kilikini |
"Wayne Boatwright" <waynesgang@waynes.gang> wrote in message
news:Xns96DBA12DE7724waynesgang@217.22.228.19...
> On Sat 24 Sep 2005 03:24:05p, itsjoannotjoann wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> >
> > Things I have learned from watching the news on TV during the last
> > eight
> > days:
> >
> >
> >
> > The hurricane only hit black families' property.
> >
> >
> > New Orleans was devastated and no other city was affected by the
> > hurricane.
> >
> >
> > Mississippi is reported to have a tree blown down.
> >
> >
> > New Orleans has no white people.
> >
> >
> > The hurricane blew a limb off a tree in the yard of an Alabama
> > resident.
> >
> >
> > When you are hungry after a hurricane, steal a big screen TV.
> >
> >
> > The hurricane did 23 billion dollars in improvements to New Orleans:
> > now
> > the city is welfare, looters and gang-free and they are in your city.
> >
> >
> > White folks don't make good news stories.
> >
> >
> > Don't give thanks to the thousands that came to help rescue you,
> > instead
> > bitch because the government hasn't given you a debit card yet.
> >
> >
> > Only black family members got separated in the hurricane rescue
> > efforts.
> >
> >
> > Ignore warnings to evacuate and the white folks will come get you and
> > give you money for being stupid.
> >
> >
> > I feel so sorry for all those black folks. The only way it could have
> > been worse was to be white.
>
> You must have been watching the same channel I did!
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright *¿*
> __________________________________________________
___
>
> If assholes could fly, this place would be an airport.
Me, too. Funny, my white cousin was lost for a few weeks, then found in
Mississippi in a church. My white cousins have no home and are living in a
hotel with no clothing or any material goods. Where's their $2,000 cash
cards? Where's their relief effort?
kili
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| Stark |
In article <1127611130.194714.121250@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, -L.
<gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote:
> nancree wrote:
> > Bob wrote:
> >
> > "P.S. How did we get from "Katrina" to "Rita" in just 3 weeks? I
> > thought tropical storm names ran alphabetically."
>
> Not all hurricanes are reported, or develop into storms that approach
> the US. Lee through Phillipe didn't make the news.
>
> -L.
>
Well that's obviously one more indication of the TV News media's bias.
I'm sure those demagogues of unbiased reporting are furious with the
media for not covering all hurricanes equally.
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| Stark |
In article <cf3cj1dskupv9v6rik0ov9mprch4662omo@4ax.com>, modom
<modom@nonkoyote.com> wrote:
> However, you've got yourself a heck of an epistemological problem
> here. Asserting that news coverage is biased presumes you have a more
> objective understanding than the news sources you pretend to critique.
> You assume you have knowledge beyond what is reported in asserting
> there is bias. What is the source of this knowledge? It can be had
> either first hand or via reporting. If the reporting is wrong, then
> where does your information come from? Do voices tell you the news?
>
> A smug declaration that your ethnicity and your point of view is more
> normal or objective than that which you find irritating is hardly a
> media critique. And the presumption that so many Black faces in the
> coverage of this disaster constitutes bias is itself racist. The only
> apparent bias here is yours.
>
>
> modom
I think I understand what you are saying and I agree. Neither you nor
I would want to send an unbiased person to the grocery store to select
a cantaloupe. We would want to send someone with a similiar melon-bias
to our own.
I believe it was that melon-head Spiro Agnew who first brought
epistemology into the pubic arena for erudite discussion. But I don't
remember ever hearing any.
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| kr_gentner |
"-L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote in message
news:1127611130.194714.121250@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> nancree wrote:
>> Bob wrote:
>>
>> "P.S. How did we get from "Katrina" to "Rita" in just 3 weeks? I
>> thought tropical storm names ran alphabetically."
>
> Not all hurricanes are reported, or develop into storms that approach
> the US. Lee through Phillipe didn't make the news.
>
> -L.
>
Storms are named when they become tropical storms. Not all tropical storms
develop into hurricanes. There were several of the storms between Katrina
and Rita that went north in the Atlantic and never threatened land. Ophelia
came close to hitting North Carolina but just skirted along the coast and
went out in to the Atlantic.
The storms don't make the 5 O'clock news unless they threaten land. They do
make the weather news though.
There are still over 2 months in hurricane season and only 4 names left.
They'll start over with the Greek alphabet.
Kathy
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| Sheldon |
itsjoannotjoann wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > itsdumbestmother****ernotjoann wrote:
>
> > >
> > > No Bob, recognition is not their forte. What is reported on tv is
> > > always the truth and how dare I challenge it.
> >
> > You posted that (something you obviously stole off the net) and now
> > posting this makes you the dumbest mother****er rfc has ever seen. Get
> > the **** out of here, IMBECILE!
> >
> > Sheldon
>
>
> Man, oh man, you flop around from one side to the other like a goldfish
> out of his bowl. Amusing.
You posted what to normal brained people is obviously "spoof" (someone
elses), and you, the ******* imbecile that you are, actually take it
literally. Like I said, you are the dumbest mother****er to ever grace
this newsgroup. Wait-a-minute, it's a webtv imbecile, figures.
Sheldon
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| SD |
itsjoannotjoann wrote:
> Things I have learned from watching the news on TV during the last
> eight
> days:
>
> The hurricane only hit black families' property.
>
> New Orleans was devastated and no other city was affected by the
> hurricane.
>
> Mississippi is reported to have a tree blown down.
>
> New Orleans has no white people.
>
> The hurricane blew a limb off a tree in the yard of an Alabama
> resident.
>
> When you are hungry after a hurricane, steal a big screen TV.
>
> The hurricane did 23 billion dollars in improvements to New Orleans:
> now
> the city is welfare, looters and gang-free and they are in your city.
>
> White folks don't make good news stories.
>
> Don't give thanks to the thousands that came to help rescue you,
> instead
> bitch because the government hasn't given you a debit card yet.
>
> Only black family members got separated in the hurricane rescue
> efforts.
>
> Ignore warnings to evacuate and the white folks will come get you and
> give you money for being stupid.
>
> I feel so sorry for all those black folks. The only way it could have
> been worse was to be white.
Interesting because the news I saw from international sources (TVE, RAI
CNN Espanol, CNN international. Canal Vasco, Galicia TV) showed plenty
of white folks, both rich and poor who had suffered losses.
SD
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| Andy |
kr_gentner wrote:
> The storms don't make the 5 O'clock news unless they threaten land.
> They do make the weather news though.
It's no wonder. Better check yer clock! :D
--
Andy
http://tinyurl.com/dzl7h
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| sf |
On 25 Sep 2005 08:01:02 -0700, SD wrote:
>
> Interesting because the news I saw from international sources (TVE, RAI
> CNN Espanol, CNN international. Canal Vasco, Galicia TV) showed plenty
> of white folks, both rich and poor who had suffered losses.
>
Unfortunately, Americans get a different version of the news.
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| kilikini |
"sf" <sf@see_reply_address.com> wrote in message
news:jandj1tdb1kj234fvt2t1ds152opma5d3o@4ax.com...
> On 25 Sep 2005 08:01:02 -0700, SD wrote:
>
> >
> > Interesting because the news I saw from international sources (TVE, RAI
> > CNN Espanol, CNN international. Canal Vasco, Galicia TV) showed plenty
> > of white folks, both rich and poor who had suffered losses.
> >
> Unfortunately, Americans get a different version of the news.
>
Isn't that the truth?!?!?! Listen to public radio..................
kili
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| Sheldon |
kilikini wrote:
> "sf" <sf@see_reply_address.com> wrote in message
> news:jandj1tdb1kj234fvt2t1ds152opma5d3o@4ax.com...
> > On 25 Sep 2005 08:01:02 -0700, SD wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Interesting because the news I saw from international sources (TVE, RAI
> > > CNN Espanol, CNN international. Canal Vasco, Galicia TV) showed plenty
> > > of white folks, both rich and poor who had suffered losses.
> > >
> > Unfortunately, Americans get a different version of the news.
> >
>
> Isn't that the truth?!?!?! Listen to public radio..................
Yup, in NOLA anyway white folks lost more, much more... they had more
to lose. The poor black folks, which is primarilly what the population
of NOLA is/was comprised (a fact), didn't lose much, can't lose what
you don't own. The vast majority of those demolished shacks were
rented... those who will suffer the loss are the owners... and I've no
idea what color the landlords are, yoose tell me.
Btw, the real losers in such cases are the lien holders and insurers,
they will suffer the greatest losses, in the short term... in the long
term all those losses will be absorbed by the "haves" over the entire
country. The poor never suffer any losses... again, can't lose what
you don't own. In fact the poor will benefit most (for many this was a
blessing in disguise), they will be given more to get on with their
existence than the value of whatever personal goods they left behind
that they actually owned... and most either rented their furnishings or
they were on credit with minimal equity... the poor rarely own even the
clothes on their backs, Walmart will absorb that loss... and eventually
pass it on to those who pay.
And there is nothing racist, there are far more pockets of poverty
accross America that have suffered disasters where the impoverished are
mostly white.
Sheldon
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| jmcquown |
Sheldon wrote:
> kilikini wrote:
>> "sf" <sf@see_reply_address.com> wrote in message
>> news:jandj1tdb1kj234fvt2t1ds152opma5d3o@4ax.com...
>>> On 25 Sep 2005 08:01:02 -0700, SD wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Interesting because the news I saw from international sources
>>>> (TVE, RAI CNN Espanol, CNN international. Canal Vasco, Galicia
>>>> TV) showed plenty of white folks, both rich and poor who had
>>>> suffered losses.
>>>>
>>> Unfortunately, Americans get a different version of the news.
>>>
>>
>> Isn't that the truth?!?!?! Listen to public radio..................
>
> the poor rarely own even
> the clothes on their backs, Walmart will absorb that loss... and
> eventually
> pass it on to those who pay.
>
I wasn't aware WalMart handed out loans for clothing. I've never been to
one where I could carry clothing (or anything else) out the door without
paying for it. Show me a WalMart where I can walk out with clothing then
claim it as a loss in case of disaster and have the company pay for it.
Cite your references, please.
Jill
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| Sheldon |
jmcquown wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > kilikini wrote:
> >> "sf" <sf@see_reply_address.com> wrote in message
> >> news:jandj1tdb1kj234fvt2t1ds152opma5d3o@4ax.com...
> >>> On 25 Sep 2005 08:01:02 -0700, SD wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Interesting because the news I saw from international sources
> >>>> (TVE, RAI CNN Espanol, CNN international. Canal Vasco, Galicia
> >>>> TV) showed plenty of white folks, both rich and poor who had
> >>>> suffered losses.
> >>>>
> >>> Unfortunately, Americans get a different version of the news.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Isn't that the truth?!?!?! Listen to public radio..................
> >
> > the poor rarely own even
> > the clothes on their backs, Walmart will absorb that loss... and
> > eventually
> > pass it on to those who pay.
> >
> I wasn't aware WalMart handed out loans for clothing. I've never been to
> one where I could carry clothing (or anything else) out the door without
> paying for it.
Oh, fergot, TN doesn't do credit cards... In Grits We Trust.
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=128920
Sheldon
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| pablo |
"Sheldon" <PENMART01@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1127675114.061230.14950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> jmcquown wrote:
>> I wasn't aware WalMart handed out loans for clothing. I've never been to
>> one where I could carry clothing (or anything else) out the door without
>> paying for it.
>
> Oh, fergot, TN doesn't do credit cards... In Grits We Trust.
>
I am not a Wal-Mart fan. I hate shopping there and I think they would do
ANYTHING for a buck. (Have I fallen prey to the story the liberal media is
putting out there? Those liberal *******s!) However, their disaster
response seems to have put our Federal and State governments to shame. See
link below. And yes, I did wonder why this story hasn't received more press
coverage and why some muck rakers are disputing how many trucks Wal-Mart
actually sent.
I'll have to take Wal-Mart off my "Axis of Evil Retailers" list.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...5090501598.html
Pablo
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| SD |
sf wrote:
> On 25 Sep 2005 08:01:02 -0700, SD wrote:
>
> >
> > Interesting because the news I saw from international sources (TVE, RAI
> > CNN Espanol, CNN international. Canal Vasco, Galicia TV) showed plenty
> > of white folks, both rich and poor who had suffered losses.
> >
> Unfortunately, Americans get a different version of the news.
CNN Espanol and CNN International both broadcast from Atlanta -
although CNN International also has news desks in Hong Kong and London.
The newswriters in those divisions put a totally different slant on
things. Not only were displaced white Americans shown and interviewed,
Euro tourists in the area were interviewed and displaced Latin
Americans and Asians were shown and interviewed. Yes, the black poor
and the black looters were shown but not exclusively. That seemed to be
the venue of Fox which we watched a few times when we flipped on that
channel because the cricket scores and teams were being discussed on
CNN International. On CNN, the only American material that we that get
are Larry King, Aaron Brown, Diplomatic License, and Wolf Blitzer. Most
of the other material focuses on weekly programming such as "Inside
Africa," Inside the Middle East," "Mainsail" (about sailing), a weekly
program on golf, etc.
If I really need to see how screwed up American news is, I can always
keep tuned to Fox and watch Geralso, Greta, and O'Reilly. Most of us
down here would rather do without news than watch them.
SD
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modom wrote:
> On 24 Sep 2005 15:24:05 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
> <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> A lot of stupid, racist crap.
>
> modom
I agree, people see what they want to see. The south is famous for its
'poor white trash' who are getting as much help as they apply for. But
many 'poor folk' are very proud and won't ask for help.
All the way out here in california people are pretending to be
'survivors' & 'refugees' to get FEMA funds. An announcement was made
about an office opening where people could go and apply if they had made
it out to california and the lines were so long they had to get police
in to control the crowds and try to sort out the real from the fakes.
Course then it went to the other extreme and real survivors were being
asked for identity papers and proofs they could not provide.
I was shocked the other day when i was at the bank and an old lady was
arguing with a bank officer, she knew her mothers maiden name, social
security number and b'day & pin number but they would not let her access
her s.s. funds cause there was too much fraud going on. She was
claiming to be an refugee that only just got out without any of her
papers and asking for a service that had been provided to me on a number
of occasions when i had lost a wallet and that with no questions asked.
Of course Halliburton just got some 70 - 80 million dollars in
government 'bonuses' for its work in Iraq. Its not enough that they got
the contracts to do the reconstruction and got paid for it but to get
these millions as a 'bonus' just really irks me.
---
JL
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| Sheldon |
pablo wrote:
> "Sheldon" wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >> I wasn't aware WalMart handed out loans for clothing. I've never been to
> >> one where I could carry clothing (or anything else) out the door without
> >> paying for it.
> >
> > Oh, fergot, TN doesn't do credit cards... In Grits We Trust.
> >
>
> I am not a Wal-Mart fan. I hate shopping there and I think they would do
> ANYTHING for a buck.
Like su madre, si...
Walmart was simply an example most recognize (even a dumb little
wetback putz like you)... is Sears okay, JCPenny?
I don't think any retailer is any different, they're all out to make
bucks... better than stealing hubcaps, pueblo, pablum, whatever.
Sheldon
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| Denny Wheeler |
On 25 Sep 2005 13:14:15 -0700, "SD" <westie97@yahoo.com> wrote:
>If I really need to see how screwed up American news is, I can always
>keep tuned to Fox and watch Geralso, Greta, and O'Reilly. Most of us
>down here would rather do without news than watch them.
Please. calling anything owned by Murdoch "American news" is just....
unspeakable.
--
-denny-
"I don't like it when a whole state starts
acting like a marital aid."
"John R. Campbell" in a Usenet post.
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| Denny Wheeler |
On 24 Sep 2005 20:58:03 -0500, "Bob Terwilliger"
<virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
>Joan's point was clearly that the media coverage was biased. I'm pretty sure
>she doesn't believe any of the points she posted.
By the way, Joan didn't write that--or if she did, it took her at
least two days to get round to rfc with it. I saw it in email or on
another group at least two days before it showed here--and it wasn't
from Joan then.
--
-denny-
"I don't like it when a whole state starts
acting like a marital aid."
"John R. Campbell" in a Usenet post.
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| Denny Wheeler |
On 24 Sep 2005 18:18:50 -0700, "-L." <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote:
>
>nancree wrote:
>> Bob wrote:
>>
>> "P.S. How did we get from "Katrina" to "Rita" in just 3 weeks? I
>> thought tropical storm names ran alphabetically."
>
>Not all hurricanes are reported, or develop into storms that approach
>the US. Lee through Phillipe didn't make the news.
Not all tropical storms become hurricanes; without the requisite
digging, my suspicion is that none of the L-P group did. Maybe one or
two and they never neared (US) land.
--
-denny-
"I don't like it when a whole state starts
acting like a marital aid."
"John R. Campbell" in a Usenet post.
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| Denny Wheeler |
On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 21:24:29 -0500, modom <modom@nonkoyote.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:13:08 -0700, Denny Wheeler
><dennyw@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:12:28 -0500, modom <modom@nonkoyote.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 24 Sep 2005 15:24:05 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
>>><itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>A lot of stupid, racist crap.
>>
>>I guess you're one of the brilliant analysts who consider _Huckleberry
>>Finn_ racist?
>
>No.
Hard to prove that by your "analysis" of the OP.
>>Any racism in that post is reflected from the media coverage.
>
>No.
I see you chose to ignore the first sentence: "Things I have learned
from watching the news on TV during the last
eight days:"
But then I've run across this same approach before--'it's always about
race and it's all about the downtrodden.'
>The post contained this statement:
>"Only black family members got separated in the hurricane rescue
>efforts."
>
>That is racially divisive and a lie. As I already said in another
>post, hiding behind an ill conceived attempt at a media critique is a
>pissant alibi. That the post addressed race at all reflects a bias
>about what is normal in America. The norm in NOLA ain't white.
Now who's making remarks that easily could be called racist? Had the
OP said "The norm in NOLA ain't white," you'd be citing that as
racism.
>Furthermore I personally saw pictures of white kids on TV during the
>weekend attempt to reunite families and locate missing kids.
>
>And this one:
>"Ignore warnings to evacuate and the white folks will come get you and
>give you money for being stupid."
>
>That is not accurate and racist. CNN reported that 38% of those who
>stayed behind couldn't leave because they were either disabled or
>caring for a disabled person who couldn't leave. Poverty and simply
>not having a car accounted for large percentages of others who did not
>flee the storm.
>
>And this one:
>"The hurricane only hit black families' property."
>
>That is not accurate and racist. Anybody atending to the coverage of
>the disaster saw plenty of stories about property damage among white
>communities, many of them heart-wrenching.
The OP addresses the overall thrust of the media. Certainly there are
exceptions--upon which you're pleased to jump. But the OP's
piece--and it's admittedly over the top, as much humor deliberately
is--makes a valid point about the general coverage.
Remember though that for the media, it's almost always about eyeballs
in front of sets, and trying to get the most of those they can. Yes,
there are occasional exceptions to that rule (just as there's
occasionally a politician whose #1 priority is something other than
re-election), but they ARE exceptions.
>>(try thinking next time, instead of hitting yourself in the jaw when
>>your knee jerks)
>
>Thanks for the advice. You might try reading it out loud to yourself.
Maybe in a few years you'll have some life-experience on which to make
these judgments. You clearly don't, now.
--
-denny-
"I don't like it when a whole state starts
acting like a marital aid."
"John R. Campbell" in a Usenet post.
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| itsjoannotjoann |
Sheldon wrote:
>
> You posted what to normal brained people is obviously "spoof" (someone
> elses), and you, the ******* imbecile that you are, actually take it
> literally. Like I said, you are the dumbest mother****er to ever grace
> this newsgroup. Wait-a-minute, it's a webtv imbecile, figures.
>
> Sheldon
Shelly, Shelly, Shelly, I'm surprised at you! You claim to be such an
expert on everything but you take someone's address here as being
literal. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Anyone with half a brain, oh wait, that
leaves you out, would know and could check that I'm not posting from
webtv. It's just a convenient address to keep perverts and spammers
out of my mailbox. But what can I expect from someone who uses AOHell?
Not much I can assure you.
(Psst, I'm using a laptop and MSN is my ISP) Have fun!
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| SD |
Denny Wheeler wrote:
> On 25 Sep 2005 13:14:15 -0700, "SD" <westie97@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >If I really need to see how screwed up American news is, I can always
> >keep tuned to Fox and watch Geralso, Greta, and O'Reilly. Most of us
> >down here would rather do without news than watch them.
>
> Please. calling anything owned by Murdoch "American news" is just....
>
> unspeakable.
It's American news because it a news channel originating in America,
carrying heavily American oriented news stories primarily for
consumption by the American public although, unfortunately, they are
expanding their global reach. On the other hand, CNN International
originates in Hong Kong and London. It is geared to the Asian and
European viewing audience with a wide range of news that focuses not
just on America.
SD
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| Craig Welch |
On 25 Sep 2005 14:44:25 -0700, "itsjoannotjoann"
<itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>Sheldon wrote:
>> You posted what to normal brained people is obviously "spoof" (someone
>> elses), and you, the ******* imbecile that you are, actually take it
>> literally. Like I said, you are the dumbest mother****er to ever grace
>> this newsgroup. Wait-a-minute, it's a webtv imbecile, figures.
>Shelly, Shelly, Shelly, I'm surprised at you! You claim to be such an
>expert on everything but you take someone's address here as being
>literal. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Anyone with half a brain, oh wait, that
>leaves you out, would know and could check that I'm not posting from
>webtv. It's just a convenient address to keep perverts and spammers
>out of my mailbox. But what can I expect from someone who uses AOHell?
> Not much I can assure you.
Ah, Sheldon at its finest ... we expect no less!
--
Craig
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| modom |
On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 14:23:56 -0700, Denny Wheeler
<dennyw@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote:
>On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 21:24:29 -0500, modom <modom@nonkoyote.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:13:08 -0700, Denny Wheeler
>><dennyw@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I guess you're one of the brilliant analysts who consider _Huckleberry
>>>Finn_ racist?
>>
>>No.
>
>Hard to prove that by your "analysis" of the OP.
No proof needed. I was characterized as something that I'm not. I
denied the allegation. Are you calling me a liar? I said no. No it
is. Twain's masterpiece is not racist. Neither is Tom Sawyer. Nor
Life on the Mississippi, Roughing It, Puddinhead Wilson, The
Mysterious Stranger, Innocents Abroad, or An Extract from Capt.
Stormfield's Visit to heaven.
Not that any of this matters since you only brought it up as an ad
hominem (see below). You imagine me to be something I'm not. I ask
that you get over it.
>
>>>Any racism in that post is reflected from the media coverage.
>>
>>No.
>
>I see you chose to ignore the first sentence: "Things I have learned
>from watching the news on TV during the last
>eight days:"
>
>But then I've run across this same approach before--'it's always about
>race and it's all about the downtrodden.'
>
No it's not. This time, however it is. Those who suffered so deeply
in the flood did so largely because they were poor, black,
downtorddem. I know that tens of thousands of non-black people also
suffered, but the huge media profile of the black population signifies
something other than bias. Asserting that it is biased presumes a
racist point of view.
>>The post contained this statement:
>>"Only black family members got separated in the hurricane rescue
>>efforts."
>>
>>That is racially divisive and a lie. As I already said in another
>>post, hiding behind an ill conceived attempt at a media critique is a
>>pissant alibi. That the post addressed race at all reflects a bias
>>about what is normal in America. The norm in NOLA ain't white.
>
>Now who's making remarks that easily could be called racist? Had the
>OP said "The norm in NOLA ain't white," you'd be citing that as
>racism.
Huh? It's simply a fact that a large majority of the citizens of that
city are not white. This has nothing to do with avoiding truth.
Quite the contrary.
>The OP addresses the overall thrust of the media. Certainly there are
>exceptions--upon which you're pleased to jump. But the OP's
>piece--and it's admittedly over the top, as much humor deliberately
>is--makes a valid point about the general coverage.
It is my contention that any claim to validity to be conjured with
regard to that screed presumes a white norm, arrogates for itself a
racist pseudo objectivity that only contributes more to the social
structures that lead to this debacle, this national shame. Our nation
must not treat its citizens this way.
>
>Remember though that for the media, it's almost always about eyeballs
>in front of sets, and trying to get the most of those they can. Yes,
>there are occasional exceptions to that rule (just as there's
>occasionally a politician whose #1 priority is something other than
>re-election), but they ARE exceptions.
>
Media, schmedia. Maintaining that the coverage had too many black
faces in it is not a media critique. It's just racist crap.
>>>(try thinking next time, instead of hitting yourself in the jaw when
>>>your knee jerks)
>>
>>Thanks for the advice. You might try reading it out loud to yourself.
>
>Maybe in a few years you'll have some life-experience on which to make
>these judgments. You clearly don't, now.
Honey, I've had lots of life experiences, and the rhetorical move you
just attempted is called an ad hominem, a fallacious pseudo argument
equivalent to calling me ugly. That is to say it's childish.
modom
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| sf |
On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 15:53:22 -0400, pablo wrote:
>
> I am not a Wal-Mart fan. I hate shopping there and I think they would do
> ANYTHING for a buck. (Have I fallen prey to the story the liberal media is
> putting out there? Those liberal *******s!) However, their disaster
> response seems to have put our Federal and State governments to shame. See
> link below. And yes, I did wonder why this story hasn't received more press
> coverage and why some muck rakers are disputing how many trucks Wal-Mart
> actually sent.
>
> I'll have to take Wal-Mart off my "Axis of Evil Retailers" list.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...5090501598.html
>
:( Operation Timed Out.
I'm in agreement with you on all points. They seem to understand
which side their bread is buttered on and who butters it, so they
responded quickly and compassionately to the emergency.... unlike
FEMA.
BTW: Did you read about Rita and gas? It took 14 hours to go 10
miles out of Houston... quite a traffic jam. Apparently there were
Army issued gas trucks going around to fill up tanks - BUT the nozzels
were the wrong size. This type of SNAFU is so typical of our American
disaster response effort (Homeland Security? What homeland
security?), it's disgusting.
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| sf |
On 25 Sep 2005 13:14:15 -0700, SD wrote:
> If I really need to see how screwed up American news is, I can always
> keep tuned to Fox and watch Geralso, Greta, and O'Reilly. Most of us
> down here would rather do without news than watch them.
>
> SD
Sorry, I'm not connecting your nick to a location. Is "down here"
Honduras... Australia/NZ?
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| sf |
On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 14:40:12 -0700, Denny Wheeler wrote:
> On 25 Sep 2005 13:14:15 -0700, "SD" <westie97@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >If I really need to see how screwed up American news is, I can always
> >keep tuned to Fox and watch Geralso, Greta, and O'Reilly. Most of us
> >down here would rather do without news than watch them.
>
> Please. calling anything owned by Murdoch "American news" is just....
>
> unspeakable.
Compared to when they first arrived on the scene, Fox is doing a
better job these days.
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| Wayne Boatwright |
On Sun 25 Sep 2005 05:41:09p, modom wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 14:23:56 -0700, Denny Wheeler
> <dennyw@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 21:24:29 -0500, modom <modom@nonkoyote.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:13:08 -0700, Denny Wheeler
>>><dennyw@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I guess you're one of the brilliant analysts who consider _Huckleberry
>>>>Finn_ racist?
>>>
>>>No.
>>
>>Hard to prove that by your "analysis" of the OP.
>
> No proof needed. I was characterized as something that I'm not. I
> denied the allegation. Are you calling me a liar? I said no. No it
> is. Twain's masterpiece is not racist. Neither is Tom Sawyer. Nor
> Life on the Mississippi, Roughing It, Puddinhead Wilson, The
> Mysterious Stranger, Innocents Abroad, or An Extract from Capt.
> Stormfield's Visit to heaven.
>
> Not that any of this matters since you only brought it up as an ad
> hominem (see below). You imagine me to be something I'm not. I ask
> that you get over it.
>>
>>>>Any racism in that post is reflected from the media coverage.
>>>
>>>No.
>>
>>I see you chose to ignore the first sentence: "Things I have learned
>>from watching the news on TV during the last
>>eight days:"
>>
>>But then I've run across this same approach before--'it's always about
>>race and it's all about the downtrodden.'
>>
> No it's not. This time, however it is. Those who suffered so deeply
> in the flood did so largely because they were poor, black,
> downtorddem. I know that tens of thousands of non-black people also
> suffered, but the huge media profile of the black population signifies
> something other than bias. Asserting that it is biased presumes a
> racist point of view.
>
>>>The post contained this statement:
>>>"Only black family members got separated in the hurricane rescue
>>>efforts."
>>>
>>>That is racially divisive and a lie. As I already said in another
>>>post, hiding behind an ill conceived attempt at a media critique is a
>>>pissant alibi. That the post addressed race at all reflects a bias
>>>about what is normal in America. The norm in NOLA ain't white.
>>
>>Now who's making remarks that easily could be called racist? Had the
>>OP said "The norm in NOLA ain't white," you'd be citing that as racism.
>
> Huh? It's simply a fact that a large majority of the citizens of that
> city are not white. This has nothing to do with avoiding truth.
> Quite the contrary.
>
>>The OP addresses the overall thrust of the media. Certainly there are
>>exceptions--upon which you're pleased to jump. But the OP's
>>piece--and it's admittedly over the top, as much humor deliberately
>>is--makes a valid point about the general coverage.
>
> It is my contention that any claim to validity to be conjured with
> regard to that screed presumes a white norm, arrogates for itself a
> racist pseudo objectivity that only contributes more to the social
> structures that lead to this debacle, this national shame. Our nation
> must not treat its citizens this way.
>>
>>Remember though that for the media, it's almost always about eyeballs
>>in front of sets, and trying to get the most of those they can. Yes,
>>there are occasional exceptions to that rule (just as there's
>>occasionally a politician whose #1 priority is something other than
>>re-election), but they ARE exceptions.
What a lot of pseudo-elevated drivel.
> Media, schmedia. Maintaining that the coverage had too many black
> faces in it is not a media critique. It's just racist crap.
>
>>>>(try thinking next time, instead of hitting yourself in the jaw when
>>>>your knee jerks)
>>>
>>>Thanks for the advice. You might try reading it out loud to yourself.
>>
>>Maybe in a few years you'll have some life-experience on which to make
>>these judgments. You clearly don't, now.
>
> Honey, I've had lots of life experiences, and the rhetorical move you
> just attempted is called an ad hominem, a fallacious pseudo argument
> equivalent to calling me ugly. That is to say it's childish.
Apparently not enought of those lief experiences.
You're as much off-base and out of line as the OP.
--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
__________________________________________________
___
If assholes could fly, this place would be an airport.
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| modom |
On 26 Sep 2005 03:08:04 +0200, Wayne Boatwright
<waynesgang@waynes.gang> wrote:
>On Sun 25 Sep 2005 05:41:09p, modom wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 14:23:56 -0700, Denny Wheeler
>> <dennyw@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote:
>>
[I tried to trim this right -- hope I did]
>> It is my contention that any claim to validity to be conjured with
>> regard to that screed presumes a white norm, arrogates for itself a
>> racist pseudo objectivity that only contributes more to the social
>> structures that lead to this debacle, this national shame. Our nation
>> must not treat its citizens this way.
>>>
>>>Remember though that for the media, it's almost always about eyeballs
>>>in front of sets, and trying to get the most of those they can. Yes,
>>>there are occasional exceptions to that rule (just as there's
>>>occasionally a politician whose #1 priority is something other than
>>>re-election), but they ARE exceptions.
>
>What a lot of pseudo-elevated drivel.
If you are responding to the statements immediately above your
comment, be advised that I did not write them. The graph above that
is mine as is the graph below.
>
>> Media, schmedia. Maintaining that the coverage had too many black
>> faces in it is not a media critique. It's just racist crap.
>>>Maybe in a few years you'll have some life-experience on which to make
>>>these judgments. You clearly don't, now.
>>
>> Honey, I've had lots of life experiences, and the rhetorical move you
>> just attempted is called an ad hominem, a fallacious pseudo argument
>> equivalent to calling me ugly. That is to say it's childish.
>
>Apparently not enought of those lief experiences.
>
Since my recent, very minor brush with Rita, I've had any number of
leaf experiences. But lief experiences...hmm. I think I might have
once met a guy named Lief, but that might be wrong. I know I met a
really nice fellow named Bjorn back in college, and I do own a copy of
Pynchon's Vineland, though I never read it.
As to life experiences, I've had my share. I came of age at a time
when buses of Freedom Riders rolled through the south, when people
were killed for voter registration efforts, when my friends -- kids I
played catch with, kids I went fishing and picked berries with, kids I
liked -- my friends were content to keep black folks down. I've been
treated by doctors who had segregated waiting rooms. I've drunk from
segregated drinking fountains, attended segregated schools. I watched
as a public pool in a small Louisiana town was closed when the order
came that it be integrated. I saw a New Orleans amusement park closed
for the same reason. There's more, but these will serve for now.
It's been more than 40 years since that pool closed and I lost those
friendships. And still this disgusting racial divide continues to
poison our nation. This is a shame on us as a people.
>You're as much off-base and out of line as the OP.
I ask that you support that statement with reasons.
modom
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