| dss_canada2@hotmail.com |
Guys, thanks for the replies.
IIn the original design the overhead cabinets were hanging down 24" and
would bnlock the view, but I said that we changed it to 18" and
therefore it does not block the view at all of the dining room.
If I put down a hood, it would then block the view from the person who
is cooking.
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| dss_canada2@hotmail.com |
Thanks for those links, you gave us some good ideas, the glass vent
would be perfect and wouldn't obstruct the view as much.
I'm going to go see the builder about it, I'm thinking maybe it is
possible to incase the vent casing within the cabinet above it, and all
that would be exposed would be the glass vent part.
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| sf |
On 24 Sep 2005 20:16:23 -0700, dss_canada2@hotmail.com wrote:
> Thanks for those links, you gave us some good ideas, the glass vent
> would be perfect and wouldn't obstruct the view as much.
Check your local building code. I think you're going to be pleasantly
surprised by the distance your vent will be from the stovetop
(remember you're not doing an under cabinet mount). I'm 5'4" and can
see under a hood very nicely. Of course if you're 6'4", there might
be a problem, like looking at the duct. :)
>
> I'm going to go see the builder about it, I'm thinking maybe it is
> possible to incase the vent casing within the cabinet above it, and all
> that would be exposed would be the glass vent part.
If you're seriously concidering enveloping your ducting in cabinetry,
then you're wasting money by installing a glass vent hood. Look
closely at what's called a "liner insert". They are made by many
brands. http://www.ventahood.com/linerinser...?currentImage=1
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| dss_canada2@hotmail.com |
Thanks, you've been extremly informative. I also wanted to ask your
opinion on Ovens, we're debating between a double oven or a single oven
and Microwave / oven combo. What's your opinion of these setups, we
were looking at the Kitchenaid combo setup.
We just don't want o get a combo setup and then regret not having
gotten a double oven, at this point Im just not confident that a combo
unit can cook as well as a full size oven.
sf wrote:
> On 24 Sep 2005 20:16:23 -0700, dss_canada2@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > Thanks for those links, you gave us some good ideas, the glass vent
> > would be perfect and wouldn't obstruct the view as much.
>
> Check your local building code. I think you're going to be pleasantly
> surprised by the distance your vent will be from the stovetop
> (remember you're not doing an under cabinet mount). I'm 5'4" and can
> see under a hood very nicely. Of course if you're 6'4", there might
> be a problem, like looking at the duct. :)
>
> >
> > I'm going to go see the builder about it, I'm thinking maybe it is
> > possible to incase the vent casing within the cabinet above it, and all
> > that would be exposed would be the glass vent part.
>
> If you're seriously concidering enveloping your ducting in cabinetry,
> then you're wasting money by installing a glass vent hood. Look
> closely at what's called a "liner insert". They are made by many
> brands. http://www.ventahood.com/linerinser...?currentImage=1
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| QX |
Try this site:
http://www.broan.com/display/router...&CategoryID=508
These may work for you:
http://www.broan.com/display/router.asp?ProductID=1142
http://www.broan.com/display/router...roductID=100028
High performance:
http://www.broan.com/display/router.asp?CategoryID=537
I have an Allure III and am very happy with the quality of the
materials and workmanship of the unit.
Hope those links will be of assistance.
On 23 Sep 2005 18:13:25 -0700, dss_canada2@hotmail.com wrote:
>We're currently re-modeling our kitchen and the wall in between the
>dining room and kitchen wil be coming down. In its place will be a
>peninsula that will have a cooktop and hanging cabinets overhead.
>A Hood we just be horrible in this kind of setup, it would obstruct the
>view from both sides.
>
>I understand that these leaves you with few options, from the google
>searchng I've done so far, it's safe to say the jenn-air downdraft
>systems are horrible.
>
>I should mention I'm going to be cooking with gas.
>
>In my searches, I've seen the best solution would be a Telescopic
>Downdraft system.
>
>Can anyone recommend the best telescopic downdraft system available. I
>see that Thermador makes a 15" model, is this the highest they go?
>
>Are they loud? some people have said they are quieter than a hood.
>
>I've also seen a lot of negative comments regarding downdraft systems,
>is this because the product was bad or is there no way to haev a good
>downdraft system?
>
>Will it make us not enjoy our kitchen?
>
>Any advice feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>Here's some picutres of the kitchen design, you'll see why I can't go
>for a hood, at least I dont think I can.
>
>The hanging cabinets are only 18', so they hang low enough that you can
>still see in to the other room when standing up.
>
>Here's a link to with a view of the Peninsula facing the dining room.
>There are some changes that arent reflected in the picture:
>
>1) Removed sink on Peninsula
>2) Moved over cooktop much more to the left
>3) Hanging cabinets were shortened from 24' to 18' so as to not
>obstruct the person's view.
>4) There are cabinet doors on the hanging cabinets.
>
>http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5046/b20rn.jpg
>
>This is a view of the other side.
>
>http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/5097/b48yq.jpg
>
>view from the dining room
>
>- Glass cabinets in the middle were changed to wood and the island was
>removed.
>
>http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/1985/untitled0jg.png
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| Mike |
dss_canada2@hotmail.com wrote:
>We're currently re-modeling our kitchen and the wall in between the
>dining room and kitchen wil be coming down. In its place will be a
>peninsula that will have a cooktop and hanging cabinets overhead.
>A Hood we just be horrible in this kind of setup, it would obstruct the
>view from both sides.
>
>I understand that these leaves you with few options, from the google
>searchng I've done so far, it's safe to say the jenn-air downdraft
>systems are horrible.
>
>I should mention I'm going to be cooking with gas.
>
>In my searches, I've seen the best solution would be a Telescopic
>Downdraft system.
>
>Can anyone recommend the best telescopic downdraft system available. I
>see that Thermador makes a 15" model, is this the highest they go?
>
>Are they loud? some people have said they are quieter than a hood.
>
>I've also seen a lot of negative comments regarding downdraft systems,
>is this because the product was bad or is there no way to haev a good
>downdraft system?
>
>Will it make us not enjoy our kitchen?
>
>Any advice feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>Here's some picutres of the kitchen design, you'll see why I can't go
>for a hood, at least I dont think I can.
>
>The hanging cabinets are only 18', so they hang low enough that you can
>still see in to the other room when standing up.
>
>Here's a link to with a view of the Peninsula facing the dining room.
>There are some changes that arent reflected in the picture:
>
>1) Removed sink on Peninsula
>2) Moved over cooktop much more to the left
>3) Hanging cabinets were shortened from 24' to 18' so as to not
>obstruct the person's view.
>4) There are cabinet doors on the hanging cabinets.
>
>http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5046/b20rn.jpg
>
>This is a view of the other side.
>
>http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/5097/b48yq.jpg
>
>view from the dining room
>
>- Glass cabinets in the middle were changed to wood and the island was
>removed.
>
>http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/1985/untitled0jg.png
I'm using a GE Profile telescopic downdraft system.
http://www.google.com/search?source...ofile+downdraft
System works well with a GE gas Profile cooktop, Replaced a Jenn-aire
downdraft cooktop (that was a POJ). But if is didn't intend to sell
the home (some time), I would have preferred not to spend the money on
a downdraft system - smoke from cooking is not a problem in my
kitchen.
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| sf |
On 25 Sep 2005 20:27:38 -0700, dss_canada2@hotmail.com wrote:
> Thanks, you've been extremly informative. I also wanted to ask your
> opinion on Ovens, we're debating between a double oven or a single oven
> and Microwave / oven combo. What's your opinion of these setups, we
> were looking at the Kitchenaid combo setup.
>
> We just don't want o get a combo setup and then regret not having
> gotten a double oven, at this point Im just not confident that a combo
> unit can cook as well as a full size oven.
A combo unit isn't full sized? Some must be!
I have double wall ovens (I recommend self-cleaning so you can cook
whatever you want and not worry about the mess). One of my ovens is a
convection/regular., but for some reason, I've never considered a
microwave as an integral part of my ovens.... probably because
microwaves (for me) are just expensive tea kettles and popcorn
poppers.
There is a brand new style of oven with separate microwave on top
(very good looking) that is being shown in a range configuration...
but I can't think of the brand right now, sorry.
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| DrLith |
dss_canada2@hotmail.com wrote:
> Thanks, you've been extremly informative. I also wanted to ask your
> opinion on Ovens, we're debating between a double oven or a single oven
> and Microwave / oven combo. What's your opinion of these setups, we
> were looking at the Kitchenaid combo setup.
>
> We just don't want o get a combo setup and then regret not having
> gotten a double oven, at this point Im just not confident that a combo
> unit can cook as well as a full size oven.
I just don't really understand the current obsession with double ovens.
The number of times in my life when I've wished I had a second oven is
far less than the number of times in my life when I've wished I had a
second dishwasher.
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| Matthew L. Martin |
DrLith wrote:
> dss_canada2@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks, you've been extremly informative. I also wanted to ask your
>> opinion on Ovens, we're debating between a double oven or a single oven
>> and Microwave / oven combo. What's your opinion of these setups, we
>> were looking at the Kitchenaid combo setup.
>>
>> We just don't want o get a combo setup and then regret not having
>> gotten a double oven, at this point Im just not confident that a combo
>> unit can cook as well as a full size oven.
>
>
> I just don't really understand the current obsession with double ovens.
> The number of times in my life when I've wished I had a second oven is
> far less than the number of times in my life when I've wished I had a
> second dishwasher.
Hmmmm.... I would guess that 25% of the time we are using one oven, we
are also using the other. When we need two, we need 100% of two. YMMV.
Matthew (known to have both ovens and a Kamado going at the same time)
--
Thermodynamics and/or Golf for dummies: There is a game
You can't win
You can't break even
You can't get out of the game
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| Lara |
Hi,
Thermador's 15" is the tallest on the market, at least it was last time
I dealt with them. (Used to work with their marketing department.) I
think you can get different motors with different power settings, but I
don't know if it'll ultimately be as powerful as an updraft ....have
you shopped for different styles? Thermador (and some other brands as
well) make an updraft that has a glass canopy that's really cool
looking. But unless you have a grill on your cooktop, from what I
learned working witH Thermador, you will probably be fine with a
downdraft. What kind of cooktop are you buying? Congrats--it must be
so much fun to redesign your kitchen!
dss_canada2@hotmail.com wrote:
> Thanks, you've been extremly informative. I also wanted to ask your
> opinion on Ovens, we're debating between a double oven or a single oven
> and Microwave / oven combo. What's your opinion of these setups, we
> were looking at the Kitchenaid combo setup.
>
> We just don't want o get a combo setup and then regret not having
> gotten a double oven, at this point Im just not confident that a combo
> unit can cook as well as a full size oven.
>
>
> sf wrote:
> > On 24 Sep 2005 20:16:23 -0700, dss_canada2@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for those links, you gave us some good ideas, the glass vent
> > > would be perfect and wouldn't obstruct the view as much.
> >
> > Check your local building code. I think you're going to be pleasantly
> > surprised by the distance your vent will be from the stovetop
> > (remember you're not doing an under cabinet mount). I'm 5'4" and can
> > see under a hood very nicely. Of course if you're 6'4", there might
> > be a problem, like looking at the duct. :)
> >
> > >
> > > I'm going to go see the builder about it, I'm thinking maybe it is
> > > possible to incase the vent casing within the cabinet above it, and all
> > > that would be exposed would be the glass vent part.
> >
> > If you're seriously concidering enveloping your ducting in cabinetry,
> > then you're wasting money by installing a glass vent hood. Look
> > closely at what's called a "liner insert". They are made by many
> > brands. http://www.ventahood.com/linerinser...?currentImage=1
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| pltrgyst |
There is an enclave of around 45 fairly expensive townhomes (~$700K
when built three years ago) diagonally across the street from our
townhouse in Alexandria, VA. These homes were built to emulate
warehouse conversion lofts, with exposed interior brick walls and
floor-sized great rooms with island-mounted cooktops and Jenn-Air
telescoping downdrafts.
We know five residents of that enclave quite well. Two of them are
somewhat serious cooks, and both of those have ripped out the
down-draft cooktops and had overhead ducted exhaust systems installed,
costing thousands of dollars.
IMO, downdrafts simply are not satisfactory unless your cooking is
limited to nuking frozen dinners.
-- Larry
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| Billzz |
"pltrgyst" <usenet@xhost.org> wrote in message
news:2b6gk11vbtulor1j0qfdgo1n2vs8gki72q@4ax.com...
> There is an enclave of around 45 fairly expensive townhomes (~$700K
> when built three years ago) diagonally across the street from our
> townhouse in Alexandria, VA. These homes were built to emulate
> warehouse conversion lofts, with exposed interior brick walls and
> floor-sized great rooms with island-mounted cooktops and Jenn-Air
> telescoping downdrafts.
>
> We know five residents of that enclave quite well. Two of them are
> somewhat serious cooks, and both of those have ripped out the
> down-draft cooktops and had overhead ducted exhaust systems installed,
> costing thousands of dollars.
>
> IMO, downdrafts simply are not satisfactory unless your cooking is
> limited to nuking frozen dinners.
>
> -- Larry
Agree. We built a house in Texas that was architected (is that a word?) for
the ubiquitous Jenn-Air and paid extra to get the overhead exhaust. I'm a
serious cook, grew up in restaurants, and know that heat rises. We moved to
California and existed (while another house was being built) in a rental
that had the classy Jenn-Air, with its wimpy burners, that I had to reseat,
and the noisy down-draft fan, which I didn't dare test. Another option,
venting into the kitchen, instead of outside, is also very bad, and one
general contractor lost my business when he said that's what he had in his
house. The associated problem is that local building regulations do not
allow commercial stoves, with the BTUs that would, for example, allow proper
wok cooking, but GE now has a five burner stove with one burner that makes
(if I remember) 30K+ BTUs. I do all serious grilling outside anyway. Paul
Prudhomme has a caution in the preface to his method of making blackened
(whatever) that it should not be done inside the house. Commercial stuff is
different, but few people can afford the time, space, money, etc. for just
three meals a day.
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| Vox Humana |
"pltrgyst" <usenet@xhost.org> wrote in message
news:2b6gk11vbtulor1j0qfdgo1n2vs8gki72q@4ax.com...
> There is an enclave of around 45 fairly expensive townhomes (~$700K
> when built three years ago) diagonally across the street from our
> townhouse in Alexandria, VA. These homes were built to emulate
> warehouse conversion lofts, with exposed interior brick walls and
> floor-sized great rooms with island-mounted cooktops and Jenn-Air
> telescoping downdrafts.
>
> We know five residents of that enclave quite well. Two of them are
> somewhat serious cooks, and both of those have ripped out the
> down-draft cooktops and had overhead ducted exhaust systems installed,
> costing thousands of dollars.
>
> IMO, downdrafts simply are not satisfactory unless your cooking is
> limited to nuking frozen dinners.
I've come to the conclusion that tell people this is a pointless exercise.
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