| jmcquown |
Julia Altshuler wrote:
> LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
> Purely marketing hype, just like women "needing" to shave their
>> underarms and teenagers "needing" to wear Nike "sports shoes" and
>> computer nerds "needing" to use a particular computer,
>
>
> What do you know about the history of the advertising campaign
> convincing women that they need to shave? I'm 47 years old, and the
> idea has been around for as long as I've been alive. (I'm in North
> America; I don't know about other parts of the world.) To the best of
> my knowledge, my mother (81 years old) grew up with it too. But
> common sense tells me that my grandmother (1896-1992) probably
> didn't. I've never seen early ad copy of shaving products for women.
> When did it start and become common place? Did it really start with
> the advertisers, or was the practice common before the products
> marketed especially for it? (I'm thinking of how shocked people were
> when disposable sanitary pads and tampax were advertised on tv, but
> obviously the products existed before the advertisements.) I'm just
> curious.
>
>
> --Lia
I was always under the impression in the U.S. it had something to do with
prostitutes, not an advertising campaign.
http://www.4to40.com/health/index.a...h_shavedarmpits
On this site, it says:
"None of many razor companies or cosmetic historians we contacted could
pinpoint when woman first started shaving their armpits. The earliest
reports concerned prostitutes during the gold rush days in California. Terri
Tongco, among other readers, posited the theory that prostitutes shaved
their underarms to prove that they have no body lice, which were rampant in
the old West."
Be that as it may (or may not), shaving dates waaaaay back, whether you are
male or female. I suspect it has a lot to do with cultural and social mores
(and what is "in fashion") at the time.
Jill
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jmcquown wrote:
> Julia Altshuler wrote:
>
>>LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
>>Purely marketing hype, just like women "needing" to shave their
>>
>>>underarms and teenagers "needing" to wear Nike "sports shoes" and
>>>computer nerds "needing" to use a particular computer,
>>
>>
>>What do you know about the history of the advertising campaign
>>convincing women that they need to shave? I'm 47 years old, and the
>>idea has been around for as long as I've been alive. (I'm in North
>>America; I don't know about other parts of the world.) To the best of
>>my knowledge, my mother (81 years old) grew up with it too. But
>>common sense tells me that my grandmother (1896-1992) probably
>>didn't. I've never seen early ad copy of shaving products for women.
>>When did it start and become common place? Did it really start with
>>the advertisers, or was the practice common before the products
>>marketed especially for it? (I'm thinking of how shocked people were
>>when disposable sanitary pads and tampax were advertised on tv, but
>>obviously the products existed before the advertisements.) I'm just
>>curious.
>>
>>
>>--Lia
>
>
> I was always under the impression in the U.S. it had something to do with
> prostitutes, not an advertising campaign.
>
> http://www.4to40.com/health/index.a...h_shavedarmpits
>
> On this site, it says:
>
> "None of many razor companies or cosmetic historians we contacted could
> pinpoint when woman first started shaving their armpits. The earliest
> reports concerned prostitutes during the gold rush days in California. Terri
> Tongco, among other readers, posited the theory that prostitutes shaved
> their underarms to prove that they have no body lice, which were rampant in
> the old West."
>
> Be that as it may (or may not), shaving dates waaaaay back, whether you are
> male or female. I suspect it has a lot to do with cultural and social mores
> (and what is "in fashion") at the time.
>
> Jill
>
>
I think it's completely ridiculous that women are expected to be
practically hairless these days. I don't shave my legs or my underarms,
and my brother always comments on how "disgusting" it is. I happen to
think that itchy pink sores that ooze (which is what happens when i have
kept everything shaved) are alot more disgusting than the hair that is
obviously supposed to be on my body.
ok, off my soapbox. :)
--
saerah
"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza
"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams
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| jmcquown |
sarah bennett wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Julia Altshuler wrote:
>>
>>> LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
>>> Purely marketing hype, just like women "needing" to shave their
>>>
>>>> underarms and teenagers "needing" to wear Nike "sports shoes" and
>>>> computer nerds "needing" to use a particular computer,
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you know about the history of the advertising campaign
>>> convincing women that they need to shave?
>>>
>>> --Lia
>>
>>
>> I was always under the impression in the U.S. it had something to do
>> with prostitutes, not an advertising campaign.
>>
>> http://www.4to40.com/health/index.a...h_shavedarmpits
>>
>> On this site, it says:
>>
>> "None of many razor companies or cosmetic historians we contacted
>> could pinpoint when woman first started shaving their armpits. The
>> earliest reports concerned prostitutes during the gold rush days in
>> California. Terri Tongco, among other readers, posited the theory
>> that prostitutes shaved their underarms to prove that they have no
>> body lice, which were rampant in the old West."
>>
>> Be that as it may (or may not), shaving dates waaaaay back, whether
>> you are male or female. I suspect it has a lot to do with cultural
>> and social mores (and what is "in fashion") at the time.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>>
>
> I think it's completely ridiculous that women are expected to be
> practically hairless these days. I don't shave my legs or my
> underarms,
> and my brother always comments on how "disgusting" it is. I happen to
> think that itchy pink sores that ooze (which is what happens when i
> have
> kept everything shaved) are alot more disgusting than the hair that is
> obviously supposed to be on my body.
>
> ok, off my soapbox. :)
Ahem... how old are you?... itchy pink oozing sores means you don't know how
to shave or perhaps you have had a bad reaction to depilitory creams. If it
was depilitory cream, you had an allergic reaction. I sure wouldn't be
asking my brother to comment about it.
Jill
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jmcquown wrote:
> sarah bennett wrote:
>
>>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>Julia Altshuler wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
>>>>Purely marketing hype, just like women "needing" to shave their
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>underarms and teenagers "needing" to wear Nike "sports shoes" and
>>>>>computer nerds "needing" to use a particular computer,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What do you know about the history of the advertising campaign
>>>>convincing women that they need to shave?
>>>>
>>>>--Lia
>>>
>>>
>>>I was always under the impression in the U.S. it had something to do
>>>with prostitutes, not an advertising campaign.
>>>
>>>http://www.4to40.com/health/index.a...h_shavedarmpits
>>>
>>>On this site, it says:
>>>
>>>"None of many razor companies or cosmetic historians we contacted
>>>could pinpoint when woman first started shaving their armpits. The
>>>earliest reports concerned prostitutes during the gold rush days in
>>>California. Terri Tongco, among other readers, posited the theory
>>>that prostitutes shaved their underarms to prove that they have no
>>>body lice, which were rampant in the old West."
>>>
>>>Be that as it may (or may not), shaving dates waaaaay back, whether
>>>you are male or female. I suspect it has a lot to do with cultural
>>>and social mores (and what is "in fashion") at the time.
>>>
>>>Jill
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I think it's completely ridiculous that women are expected to be
>>practically hairless these days. I don't shave my legs or my
>>underarms,
>>and my brother always comments on how "disgusting" it is. I happen to
>>think that itchy pink sores that ooze (which is what happens when i
>>have
>>kept everything shaved) are alot more disgusting than the hair that is
>>obviously supposed to be on my body.
>>
>>ok, off my soapbox. :)
>
>
> Ahem... how old are you?... itchy pink oozing sores means you don't know how
> to shave or perhaps you have had a bad reaction to depilitory creams. If it
> was depilitory cream, you had an allergic reaction. I sure wouldn't be
> asking my brother to comment about it.
>
> Jill
>
>
I am 26. I am well aware of how to shave. no matter what I do, I get
itchy bumps (they don't always ooze, though- unless I shave every other
day, which is what I would need to do to be hairless)
I *have* had bad reactions to depilatories. My skin is very sensitive.
My brother comments when I wear a tank top and the fact that I don't
shave is visible.
--
saerah
"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza
"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams
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| OmManiPadmeOmelet |
In article <lnvjf.35712$s92.34852@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
"jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> I was always under the impression in the U.S. it had something to do with
> prostitutes, not an advertising campaign.
>
> http://www.4to40.com/health/index.a...h_shavedarmpits
>
> On this site, it says:
>
> "None of many razor companies or cosmetic historians we contacted could
> pinpoint when woman first started shaving their armpits. The earliest
> reports concerned prostitutes during the gold rush days in California. Terri
> Tongco, among other readers, posited the theory that prostitutes shaved
> their underarms to prove that they have no body lice, which were rampant in
> the old West."
I dunno...
I've personally found that armpit hair holds on to armpit odor.
I shave my 'pits to keep from stinkin'. ;-)
--
Om.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson
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| OmManiPadmeOmelet |
In article <dDvjf.2006$Zb2.1952@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
sarah bennett <anisaerah@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
> > Julia Altshuler wrote:
> >
> >>LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
> >>Purely marketing hype, just like women "needing" to shave their
> >>
> >>>underarms and teenagers "needing" to wear Nike "sports shoes" and
> >>>computer nerds "needing" to use a particular computer,
> >>
> >>
> >>What do you know about the history of the advertising campaign
> >>convincing women that they need to shave? I'm 47 years old, and the
> >>idea has been around for as long as I've been alive. (I'm in North
> >>America; I don't know about other parts of the world.) To the best of
> >>my knowledge, my mother (81 years old) grew up with it too. But
> >>common sense tells me that my grandmother (1896-1992) probably
> >>didn't. I've never seen early ad copy of shaving products for women.
> >>When did it start and become common place? Did it really start with
> >>the advertisers, or was the practice common before the products
> >>marketed especially for it? (I'm thinking of how shocked people were
> >>when disposable sanitary pads and tampax were advertised on tv, but
> >>obviously the products existed before the advertisements.) I'm just
> >>curious.
> >>
> >>
> >>--Lia
> >
> >
> > I was always under the impression in the U.S. it had something to do with
> > prostitutes, not an advertising campaign.
> >
> > http://www.4to40.com/health/index.a...h_shavedarmpits
> >
> > On this site, it says:
> >
> > "None of many razor companies or cosmetic historians we contacted could
> > pinpoint when woman first started shaving their armpits. The earliest
> > reports concerned prostitutes during the gold rush days in California. Terri
> > Tongco, among other readers, posited the theory that prostitutes shaved
> > their underarms to prove that they have no body lice, which were rampant in
> > the old West."
> >
> > Be that as it may (or may not), shaving dates waaaaay back, whether you are
> > male or female. I suspect it has a lot to do with cultural and social mores
> > (and what is "in fashion") at the time.
> >
> > Jill
> >
> >
>
> I think it's completely ridiculous that women are expected to be
> practically hairless these days. I don't shave my legs or my underarms,
> and my brother always comments on how "disgusting" it is. I happen to
> think that itchy pink sores that ooze (which is what happens when i have
> kept everything shaved) are alot more disgusting than the hair that is
> obviously supposed to be on my body.
>
> ok, off my soapbox. :)
I rarely shave my legs, but unshaved armpits stink.
Even with deoderant. ;-P
I work in health care. I have to be well groomed.
If you get oozy sore 'pits when you shave them, you either need to shave
more regularly, or get a decent double or triple bladed razor, and use
plenty of soap to lubricate.
I wish men would shave their 'pits too.
I just HATE armpit smell! <gag>
--
Om.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson
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| OmManiPadmeOmelet |
In article <BUCjf.29032$i7.3463@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
"jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> sarah bennett wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >> Julia Altshuler wrote:
> >>
> >>> LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
> >>> Purely marketing hype, just like women "needing" to shave their
> >>>
> >>>> underarms and teenagers "needing" to wear Nike "sports shoes" and
> >>>> computer nerds "needing" to use a particular computer,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What do you know about the history of the advertising campaign
> >>> convincing women that they need to shave?
> >>>
> >>> --Lia
> >>
> >>
> >> I was always under the impression in the U.S. it had something to do
> >> with prostitutes, not an advertising campaign.
> >>
> >> http://www.4to40.com/health/index.a...h_shavedarmpits
> >>
> >> On this site, it says:
> >>
> >> "None of many razor companies or cosmetic historians we contacted
> >> could pinpoint when woman first started shaving their armpits. The
> >> earliest reports concerned prostitutes during the gold rush days in
> >> California. Terri Tongco, among other readers, posited the theory
> >> that prostitutes shaved their underarms to prove that they have no
> >> body lice, which were rampant in the old West."
> >>
> >> Be that as it may (or may not), shaving dates waaaaay back, whether
> >> you are male or female. I suspect it has a lot to do with cultural
> >> and social mores (and what is "in fashion") at the time.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I think it's completely ridiculous that women are expected to be
> > practically hairless these days. I don't shave my legs or my
> > underarms,
> > and my brother always comments on how "disgusting" it is. I happen to
> > think that itchy pink sores that ooze (which is what happens when i
> > have
> > kept everything shaved) are alot more disgusting than the hair that is
> > obviously supposed to be on my body.
> >
> > ok, off my soapbox. :)
>
> Ahem... how old are you?... itchy pink oozing sores means you don't know how
> to shave or perhaps you have had a bad reaction to depilitory creams. If it
> was depilitory cream, you had an allergic reaction. I sure wouldn't be
> asking my brother to comment about it.
>
> Jill
>
>
Agreed.
--
Om.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson
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sarah bennett <anisaerah@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:k4Djf.3390$Y%5.3055@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> sarah bennett wrote:
>>
>>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>>Julia Altshuler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
>>>>>Purely marketing hype, just like women "needing" to shave their
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>underarms and teenagers "needing" to wear Nike "sports shoes" and
>>>>>>computer nerds "needing" to use a particular computer,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What do you know about the history of the advertising campaign
>>>>>convincing women that they need to shave?
>>>>>
>>>>>--Lia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I was always under the impression in the U.S. it had something to do
>>>>with prostitutes, not an advertising campaign.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.4to40.com/health/index.a...h_shavedarmpits
>>>>
>>>>On this site, it says:
>>>>
>>>>"None of many razor companies or cosmetic historians we contacted
>>>>could pinpoint when woman first started shaving their armpits. The
>>>>earliest reports concerned prostitutes during the gold rush days in
>>>>California. Terri Tongco, among other readers, posited the theory
>>>>that prostitutes shaved their underarms to prove that they have no
>>>>body lice, which were rampant in the old West."
>>>>
>>>>Be that as it may (or may not), shaving dates waaaaay back, whether
>>>>you are male or female. I suspect it has a lot to do with cultural
>>>>and social mores (and what is "in fashion") at the time.
>>>>
>>>>Jill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>I think it's completely ridiculous that women are expected to be
>>>practically hairless these days. I don't shave my legs or my
>>>underarms,
>>>and my brother always comments on how "disgusting" it is. I happen to
>>>think that itchy pink sores that ooze (which is what happens when i
>>>have
>>>kept everything shaved) are alot more disgusting than the hair that
>>>is obviously supposed to be on my body.
>>>
>>>ok, off my soapbox. :)
>>
>>
>> Ahem... how old are you?... itchy pink oozing sores means you don't
>> know how to shave or perhaps you have had a bad reaction to
>> depilitory creams. If it was depilitory cream, you had an allergic
>> reaction. I sure wouldn't be asking my brother to comment about it.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>>
>
> I am 26. I am well aware of how to shave. no matter what I do, I get
> itchy bumps (they don't always ooze, though- unless I shave every
> other day, which is what I would need to do to be hairless)
> I *have* had bad reactions to depilatories. My skin is very sensitive.
> My brother comments when I wear a tank top and the fact that I don't
> shave is visible.
I have a unique perspective on this - I worked my way through graduate
school as a bartender.
1. Shaving for women was an offshoot of the Progressive movement, a
uniquely American movement that blended the ideas that "professionals"
and "experts" could help people become "better" and, hence, somehow
better Americans. From this, we developed all sorts of things including
Jane Addams' Hull House, Sinclair's _The Jungle_, and the hygiene
movement. American traditions such as an overly clean house, pre-wrapped
dry-goods, deodorant, and shaving meant that you (a) had money, (b) were
classy, and (c) middle-class. If you read the ads of the 1920s, you can
discern a pattern that these are the things that good Americans did and
were things that the newer immigrant populations needed to be "educated"
to do.
2. Don't get me started about Prohibition being part of the same
movement. My students were always dumbfounded by the idea that
Prohibition was a movement to keep liquor out of the hands of the poor
and working-class peoples (particularly beer from those German types)
while allowing liquor at the Harvard alumni club. (Well-stockpiled and
given away, not sold to comply with the law.)
3. Back to martinis. As one who had to find pomegranate juice after my
girlfriend saw these drinks on Oprah, I can only sigh and add them to my
list of other drinking atrocities called "martinis." I remember one place
I worked at where the boss sold Long Island Teas for $4.50 and the same
drink strained into a martini glass as a "Long Tini" for $5.50. People
always went for the "drink in the fun glass."
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jmcquown wrote:
> Be that as it may (or may not), shaving dates waaaaay back, whether you are
> male or female. I suspect it has a lot to do with cultural and social mores
> (and what is "in fashion") at the time.
Interesting how no one is certain how the practice got started. We have
paintings of men with shaven faces, but it is harder to know about women
with shaven armpits and legs. I've found that most people don't care
one way or the other about body hair, but the people who do care
(usually women) have very strong feelings.
--Lia
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pgluth1 wrote:
> 1. Shaving for women was an offshoot of the Progressive movement, a
> uniquely American movement that blended the ideas that "professionals"
> and "experts" could help people become "better" and, hence, somehow
> better Americans. From this, we developed all sorts of things including
> Jane Addams' Hull House, Sinclair's _The Jungle_, and the hygiene
> movement. American traditions such as an overly clean house, pre-wrapped
> dry-goods, deodorant, and shaving meant that you (a) had money, (b) were
> classy, and (c) middle-class. If you read the ads of the 1920s, you can
> discern a pattern that these are the things that good Americans did and
> were things that the newer immigrant populations needed to be "educated"
> to do.
I could see how this applies to immigrants from Meditteranean countries
like Greece and Italy who would naturally be a little hairier than folks
from Germany, England or Ireland, but then why were women expected to
shave body hair and not men? If it were a hygiene thing, wouldn't it
apply more to men who are naturally hairer than women? (Again, just
curious, not trying to dictate fashion or tell anyone what to do.)
--Lia
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Julia Altshuler <jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote in
news:wdOdneF91oEzrRLeRVn-rA@comcast.com:
> pgluth1 wrote:
>
>> 1. Shaving for women was an offshoot of the Progressive movement, a
>> uniquely American movement that blended the ideas that
>> "professionals" and "experts" could help people become "better" and,
>> hence, somehow better Americans. From this, we developed all sorts of
>> things including Jane Addams' Hull House, Sinclair's _The Jungle_,
>> and the hygiene movement. American traditions such as an overly clean
>> house, pre-wrapped dry-goods, deodorant, and shaving meant that you
>> (a) had money, (b) were classy, and (c) middle-class. If you read the
>> ads of the 1920s, you can discern a pattern that these are the things
>> that good Americans did and were things that the newer immigrant
>> populations needed to be "educated" to do.
>
>
> I could see how this applies to immigrants from Meditteranean
> countries like Greece and Italy who would naturally be a little
> hairier than folks from Germany, England or Ireland, but then why were
> women expected to shave body hair and not men? If it were a hygiene
> thing, wouldn't it apply more to men who are naturally hairer than
> women? (Again, just curious, not trying to dictate fashion or tell
> anyone what to do.)
More than 100 years after the start of the Progressive Movement, many of
these ideas still linger. The "home" and fashion were the domain or
sphere of women - marketing for stockings, make-up, and cleaning products
were and are still aimed at women. (Though face cream and pedicures for
men may be as serious a sign of the end of civilization as Appletinis)
Although there are parallels in other areas of society at the time -
greater emphasis on clean city drinking water as early as the 1880s,
meatpacking standards, and a greater reliance on hospital over home care,
the fashion advertising aspect "piggy-backed" on these ideas. To be a
good housewife, one had to be clean. (An interesting aside, much of the
ND Congressional debates to push for the electrification of rural America
between 1930-1940 was phrased as a way to bring labor-saving devices (not
to mention "cleaning" devices) to farm women, not men. It was easier to
sell clothes washers, dishwashers, and vacuums to women than to convince
male farmers that they needed to pay for electric hook-ups. Hard to
believe in America that most cities were wired for power by the 1910s and
many rural communities had no power for 40 more years.)
Much as the over-sterilization of today's products has little to do with
actual health and cleanliness i.e., the marketing of disposable mops,
toilet brushes, self-cleaning litter boxes and 99.99% bacterial free
items -- the fashion aspect of the hygiene movement was more about
perception than reality. The "ideal" of cleanliness was a middle-class
virtue that offset and distinguished "us" versus "them". It was easier
for women who did not work (also a hallmark of middle-class status) to
strive for this fashion than it was for the working populations.
It is an interesting study in culture and marketing. Beauty fads, whether
they are straight hair or curly, perfume or soap, clean-shaven or bearded
-come and go and vary dramatically among cultures. Stockings and shaving
were not an overnight success, arguably the fashion magazines started the
craze but only the widespread acceptance of Hollywood movies in the late
1920s showed those who couldn't afford idle reading what they were
missing.
A cynic might think that the womens' fashion industry is saturated and
the Metrosexual look, Coke Zero (for manly men who won't drink diet), and
male cosmetic surgury are just attempts to increase market share.
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Somewhere in my readings over the years, there was one article that was
an "Aha!"
Women were considered the weaker sex, especially when it came to giving
in to the blandishments of demons who would hang upon whatever they
could find. So women covered their hair (like it says in the bible)
and shaved the rest of the hair from their bodies, so the demons
wouldn't have anything to hold onto.
My personal theory, drawn from the above comment, is that at that time,
women were often married to their (much older) husbands in their early
teens, when they had little body hair. Men liked that image, and
incorporated it into their religious mythology to keep their wives'
bodies young-looking.
Even tho I'm much less a feminist now, that still makes sense to me.
maxine in ri
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"maxine in ri" <weedfam@gmail.com> wrote in news:1133461002.070163.153320
@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> Somewhere in my readings over the years, there was one article that was
> an "Aha!"
>
> Women were considered the weaker sex, especially when it came to giving
> in to the blandishments of demons who would hang upon whatever they
> could find. So women covered their hair (like it says in the bible)
> and shaved the rest of the hair from their bodies, so the demons
> wouldn't have anything to hold onto.
>
> My personal theory, drawn from the above comment, is that at that time,
> women were often married to their (much older) husbands in their early
> teens, when they had little body hair. Men liked that image, and
> incorporated it into their religious mythology to keep their wives'
> bodies young-looking.
>
> Even tho I'm much less a feminist now, that still makes sense to me.
>
> maxine in ri
Sorry, I just don't buy it. Why would this only take root in the 1910s
and not after many of the religious revivals of the past? Why did this
custom originate in the U.S. and among middle-class urban women? Why did
the magazines pick up on this, like body odor, as "clean"?
I also came up with a less academic argument from Cecil Adams' "The
Straight Dope."
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_012.html
I have never heard the religious argument before, however, I have heard
the "younger-looking / pedophilia" argument. Always seemed to be more a
style or fashion - I can't remember seeing any advertising saying "hair
makes you look older." Moreover, in adult movies (so I have been told)
the current trend of shaving is very recent - hard for me to think it is
all about youth and beauty - most pre-pubescents do not have excessive
make-up or overly large breasts.
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| notbob |
On 2005-12-01, pgluth1 <bclinton@whitehouse.gov> wrote:
> A cynic might think that the womens' fashion industry is saturated and
> the Metrosexual look, Coke Zero (for manly men who won't drink diet), and
> male cosmetic surgury are just attempts to increase market share.
And they'd be wrong?
nb
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| Julia Altshuler |
notbob wrote:
> On 2005-12-01, pgluth1 <bclinton@whitehouse.gov> wrote:
>
>
>>A cynic might think that the womens' fashion industry is saturated and
>>the Metrosexual look, Coke Zero (for manly men who won't drink diet), and
>>male cosmetic surgury are just attempts to increase market share.
>
>
> And they'd be wrong?
Wasn't diet coke an answer to Tab because men didn't like the image of
drinking Tab? I hadn't heard of Coke Zero, but if I have it right, Coke
Zero is an answer to diet coke because men don't like the image of
drinking diet coke. It's getting to be like all the words for bathroom
where everyone knows what it is but have to keep coming up with more and
more polite terms (powder room, little girls room, public facilities,
have to wash my hands, etc.).
--Lia
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| Nancy Young |
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote
> Wasn't diet coke an answer to Tab because men didn't like the image of
> drinking Tab? I hadn't heard of Coke Zero, but if I have it right, Coke
> Zero is an answer to diet coke because men don't like the image of
> drinking diet coke. It's getting to be like all the words for bathroom
> where everyone knows what it is but have to keep coming up with more and
> more polite terms (powder room, little girls room, public facilities, have
> to wash my hands, etc.).
Actually I believe the progression was that of the sweeteners involved:
Tab-sacharin Diet Coke-aspartame Coke Zero-splenda
Along those lines.
nancy
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pgluth1 wrote:
> More than 100 years after the start of the Progressive Movement, many of
> these ideas still linger.
This makes sense to me. For me, shaving or not shaving has always been
a matter of style, like getting a fashionable short haircut or deciding
to let my hair grow long. For me, as long as my hair was clean and
reasonable neat (brushed in the morning and likely messy by afternoon)
and covered when I was working around food, it was no one's business if
I chose to be fashionable or not. As I said before, most people don't
have strong opinons, or if they have opinions, they're no stronger than
the way anyone feels about a fashion. But when someone does have a
strong opinion, it is always along the lines of "that's disgusting" or
"how do you keep clean," and I've always wondered why the same standard
didn't apply to men. Weird though it is, I'm enjoying this thread.
--Lia
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> I think it's completely ridiculous that women are expected to be
> practically hairless these days. I don't shave my legs or my underarms,
> and my brother always comments on how "disgusting" it is. I happen to
> think that itchy pink sores that ooze (which is what happens when i have
> kept everything shaved) are alot more disgusting than the hair that is
> obviously supposed to be on my body.
Yuck...
~john
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| Andy Katz |
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:24:39 -0500, Julia Altshuler
<jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote:
>jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Be that as it may (or may not), shaving dates waaaaay back, whether you are
>> male or female. I suspect it has a lot to do with cultural and social mores
>> (and what is "in fashion") at the time.
>
>
>Interesting how no one is certain how the practice got started. We have
>paintings of men with shaven faces, but it is harder to know about women
>with shaven armpits and legs. I've found that most people don't care
>one way or the other about body hair, but the people who do care
>(usually women) have very strong feelings.
By and large hasn't the esthetics of skin exposed below the neck
preferred relative hairlessness?
Witness the endless debates on the biking newsgroups over the
necessity, or lack of it, for men to shave their legs.
Andy Katz
**************************************************
*************
Being lied to so billionaires can wage war for profits
while indebting taxpayers for generations to come, now
that's just a tad bit bigger than not admitting you like
the big moist-moist lips of chunky trollops on your pecker.
Paghat, the Rat Girl
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| notbob |
On 2005-12-01, Andy Katz <amkatz@earthnospamlink.net> wrote:
> By and large hasn't the esthetics of skin exposed below the neck
> preferred relative hairlessness?
>
> Witness the endless debates on the biking newsgroups over the
> necessity, or lack of it, for men to shave their legs.
Not to mention swimmers, body builders, bald heads, etc. I've noticed
random polls on the subject over the years have revealed a trend of
both young and older women alike echewing the old macho hairy-chested
male in favor of the younger hairless six-pak endowed youth.
I remember as a pup throwing my chest out just a little further upon
the discovery of my first few sprouts. Now it's like body hair,
specially back hair, is some kind of affliction to be dreaded and/or
pitied. I shave my head and trim my ears and nose hairs, but I'll be
damned if I'll remove my body hair. I once had a chest shave for an
EKG. It's was a positively creepy feeling till it grew back.
nb
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| jmcquown |
Andy Katz wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:24:39 -0500, Julia Altshuler
> <jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> Be that as it may (or may not), shaving dates waaaaay back, whether
>>> you are male or female. I suspect it has a lot to do with cultural
>>> and social mores (and what is "in fashion") at the time.
>>
>>
>> Interesting how no one is certain how the practice got started. We
>> have paintings of men with shaven faces, but it is harder to know
>> about women
>> with shaven armpits and legs. I've found that most people don't care
>> one way or the other about body hair, but the people who do care
>> (usually women) have very strong feelings.
>
> By and large hasn't the esthetics of skin exposed below the neck
> preferred relative hairlessness?
>
> Witness the endless debates on the biking newsgroups over the
> necessity, or lack of it, for men to shave their legs.
>
> Andy Katz
>
I used to work with a guy who was a 'biker' (no, not the Harley type). He
claimed shaving his body made him able to bike faster. Huh. Like body hair
is going to considerably slow you down... I suppose if you were hairy like a
gorilla this might be a factor. He didn't shave his head... Weird.
Jill
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levelwave wrote:
>>I think it's completely ridiculous that women are expected to be
>>practically hairless these days. I don't shave my legs or my underarms,
>>and my brother always comments on how "disgusting" it is. I happen to
>>think that itchy pink sores that ooze (which is what happens when i have
>>kept everything shaved) are alot more disgusting than the hair that is
>>obviously supposed to be on my body.
>
>
>
>
> Yuck...
>
> ~john
>
when was the last time you shaved your legs or under your arms?
--
saerah
"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza
"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams
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| LittleGreyPoodle |
Nancy Young wrote:
> "Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote
>
>
>>Wasn't diet coke an answer to Tab because men didn't like the image of
>>drinking Tab? I hadn't heard of Coke Zero, but if I have it right, Coke
>>Zero is an answer to diet coke because men don't like the image of
>>drinking diet coke. It's getting to be like all the words for bathroom
>>where everyone knows what it is but have to keep coming up with more and
>>more polite terms (powder room, little girls room, public facilities, have
>>to wash my hands, etc.).
>
>
> Actually I believe the progression was that of the sweeteners involved:
> Tab-sacharin Diet Coke-aspartame Coke Zero-splenda
>
Doesn't make sense. They didn't change Coca-Cola's name just because
they switched from cane sugar to high fructose corn syrup. These are
more than just sweetener changes, they're brand extensions or new
brands, perhaps for the exact marketing reason cited.
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jmcquown wrote:
> Andy Katz wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:24:39 -0500, Julia Altshuler
>><jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Be that as it may (or may not), shaving dates waaaaay back, whether
>>>>you are male or female. I suspect it has a lot to do with cultural
>>>>and social mores (and what is "in fashion") at the time.
>>>
>>>
>>>Interesting how no one is certain how the practice got started. We
>>>have paintings of men with shaven faces, but it is harder to know
>>>about women
>>>with shaven armpits and legs. I've found that most people don't care
>>>one way or the other about body hair, but the people who do care
>>>(usually women) have very strong feelings.
>>
>>By and large hasn't the esthetics of skin exposed below the neck
>>preferred relative hairlessness?
>>
>>Witness the endless debates on the biking newsgroups over the
>>necessity, or lack of it, for men to shave their legs.
>>
>>Andy Katz
>>
>
> I used to work with a guy who was a 'biker' (no, not the Harley type). He
> claimed shaving his body made him able to bike faster. Huh. Like body hair
> is going to considerably slow you down... I suppose if you were hairy like a
> gorilla this might be a factor. He didn't shave his head... Weird.
>
Yeah, right... shaving his body made him a lot faster.
The real reason bikers shave has to be for when they take a spill. The
road rash is supposedly worst if you have hair on your legs or arms. Of
course, any signficant injury would take long enough to heal that the
hair would begin to grow back in the meantime....
I shave my head because I have a skin problem and it's worse with hair.
Lots of reasons to shave various types of hair. The point of my original
post was that most women didn't start shaving their armpits until the
marketing types began telling them they had to be considered stylish.
Same thing still exists today. A specific style might grow organically
out of a given sub-culture or group, but it's spread and made popular
primarily by marketing and advertising.
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| Gabby |
"notbob" <notbob@nothome.com> wrote in message
news:fOudnd24c9xJ4BLeRVn-iw@comcast.com...
> On 2005-12-01, Andy Katz <amkatz@earthnospamlink.net> wrote:
>
>> By and large hasn't the esthetics of skin exposed below the neck
>> preferred relative hairlessness?
>>
>> Witness the endless debates on the biking newsgroups over the
>> necessity, or lack of it, for men to shave their legs.
>
> Not to mention swimmers, body builders, bald heads, etc. I've noticed
> random polls on the subject over the years have revealed a trend of
> both young and older women alike echewing the old macho hairy-chested
> male in favor of the younger hairless six-pak endowed youth.
>
> I remember as a pup throwing my chest out just a little further upon
> the discovery of my first few sprouts. Now it's like body hair,
> specially back hair, is some kind of affliction to be dreaded and/or
> pitied. I shave my head and trim my ears and nose hairs, but I'll be
> damned if I'll remove my body hair. I once had a chest shave for an
> EKG. It's was a positively creepy feeling till it grew back.
>
There you go, I would have thought most men felt the same way, but my 21
year old son shaves his chest & pits regularly - he feels he's too hairy.
I can't see it, both his dad and older brother are much hairier and darker.
But his girlfriend seems to like it.
Gabby
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| Gabby |
"jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ChLjf.8383$wi2.1860@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> Andy Katz wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:24:39 -0500, Julia Altshuler
>> <jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> Be that as it may (or may not), shaving dates waaaaay back, whether
>>>> you are male or female. I suspect it has a lot to do with cultural
>>>> and social mores (and what is "in fashion") at the time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting how no one is certain how the practice got started. We
>>> have paintings of men with shaven faces, but it is harder to know
>>> about women
>>> with shaven armpits and legs. I've found that most people don't care
>>> one way or the other about body hair, but the people who do care
>>> (usually women) have very strong feelings.
>>
>> By and large hasn't the esthetics of skin exposed below the neck
>> preferred relative hairlessness?
>>
>> Witness the endless debates on the biking newsgroups over the
>> necessity, or lack of it, for men to shave their legs.
>>
>> Andy Katz
>>
> I used to work with a guy who was a 'biker' (no, not the Harley type). He
> claimed shaving his body made him able to bike faster. Huh. Like body
> hair
> is going to considerably slow you down... I suppose if you were hairy like
> a
> gorilla this might be a factor. He didn't shave his head... Weird.
That's why swimmers shave. Less drag in the water. Bikers, at least
competitive bikers, do the same. They don't have to shave their heads
because their helmets are aerodynamic.
Gabby
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| Sheldon |
LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
> > Andy Katz wrote:
> >
> >>On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:24:39 -0500, Julia Altshuler
> >><jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>jmcquown wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Be that as it may (or may not), shaving dates waaaaay back, whether
> >>>>you are male or female. I suspect it has a lot to do with cultural
> >>>>and social mores (and what is "in fashion") at the time.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Interesting how no one is certain how the practice got started. We
> >>>have paintings of men with shaven faces, but it is harder to know
> >>>about women
> >>>with shaven armpits and legs. I've found that most people don't care
> >>>one way or the other about body hair, but the people who do care
> >>>(usually women) have very strong feelings.
> >>
> >>By and large hasn't the esthetics of skin exposed below the neck
> >>preferred relative hairlessness?
> >>
> >>Witness the endless debates on the biking newsgroups over the
> >>necessity, or lack of it, for men to shave their legs.
> >>
> >>Andy Katz
> >>
> >
> > I used to work with a guy who was a 'biker' (no, not the Harley type). He
> > claimed shaving his body made him able to bike faster. Huh. Like body hair
> > is going to considerably slow you down... I suppose if you were hairy like a
> > gorilla this might be a factor. He didn't shave his head... Weird.
> >
>
> Yeah, right... shaving his body made him a lot faster.
>
> The real reason bikers shave has to be for when they take a spill. The
> road rash is supposedly worst if you have hair on your legs or arms.
Absolute bull****.
Some bikers shave if they are particularly hairy and ride shirtless
during warm weather, the wind whipping their body hair against their
skin is quite painful.
The real reason women shave armpits, legs, and bikini area is so they
don't look like dago apes.
Sheldon Hirsute
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Sheldon wrote:
> LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
>
>>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>Andy Katz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:24:39 -0500, Julia Altshuler
>>>><jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Be that as it may (or may not), shaving dates waaaaay back, whether
>>>>>>you are male or female. I suspect it has a lot to do with cultural
>>>>>>and social mores (and what is "in fashion") at the time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting how no one is certain how the practice got started. We
>>>>>have paintings of men with shaven faces, but it is harder to know
>>>>>about women
>>>>>with shaven armpits and legs. I've found that most people don't care
>>>>>one way or the other about body hair, but the people who do care
>>>>>(usually women) have very strong feelings.
>>>>
>>>>By and large hasn't the esthetics of skin exposed below the neck
>>>>preferred relative hairlessness?
>>>>
>>>>Witness the endless debates on the biking newsgroups over the
>>>>necessity, or lack of it, for men to shave their legs.
>>>>
>>>>Andy Katz
>>>>
>>>
>>>I used to work with a guy who was a 'biker' (no, not the Harley type). He
>>>claimed shaving his body made him able to bike faster. Huh. Like body hair
>>>is going to considerably slow you down... I suppose if you were hairy like a
>>>gorilla this might be a factor. He didn't shave his head... Weird.
>>>
>>
>>Yeah, right... shaving his body made him a lot faster.
>>
>>The real reason bikers shave has to be for when they take a spill. The
>>road rash is supposedly worst if you have hair on your legs or arms.
>
>
> Absolute bull****.
>
> Some bikers shave if they are particularly hairy and ride shirtless
> during warm weather, the wind whipping their body hair against their
> skin is quite painful.
>
> The real reason women shave armpits, legs, and bikini area is so they
> don't look like dago apes.
>
> Sheldon Hirsute
>
So why don't most men shave? :)
--
saerah
"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza
"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams
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sarah bennett wrote:
>
> I think it's completely ridiculous that women are expected to be
> practically hairless these days. I don't shave my legs or my underarms,
> and my brother always comments on how "disgusting" it is. I happen to
> think that itchy pink sores that ooze (which is what happens when i have
> kept everything shaved) are alot more disgusting than the hair that is
> obviously supposed to be on my body.
>
> ok, off my soapbox. :)
I don't either, for two reasons. My hair is extremely fine and
colorless (hair in my pits is almost nonexistent), and my DH likes
things "natural". Some guys *do* appreciate a woman as she was meant
to be.
I always thought it was gross, but really the hygiene isn't any
different than when I did shave.
What I don't get are the women who get Brazillians or Bald Eagles.
OUCH! IMO, that's just nasty.
-L.
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| Nancy Young |
"LittleGreyPoodle" <photodoglv@yahoo.com> wrote
> Nancy Young wrote:
>> Actually I believe the progression was that of the sweeteners involved:
>> Tab-sacharin Diet Coke-aspartame Coke Zero-splenda
>>
>
> Doesn't make sense. They didn't change Coca-Cola's name just because they
> switched from cane sugar to high fructose corn syrup.
But they didn't want to continue with the cane sugar. They
have continued with the artificial sweeteners, under different
names.
> These are more than just sweetener changes, they're brand extensions or
> new brands, perhaps for the exact marketing reason cited.
I don't buy the marketing reasoning having anything to do with men.
I do buy that people clamor for their Tab, I was one of them, didn't
switch to Diet Coke for a long time. Coke Zero, another new
sweetener, doesn't mean they want to lose their Diet Coke customers.
They even tried to change the formula for regular Coke without changing
the name, we all know how that turned out. Apparently just changing
the sweetener for diet cokes would go over like a lead balloon as they
are far different from each other, more than the difference between
corn syrup and sugar.
nancy
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Nancy Young wrote:
> "LittleGreyPoodle" <photodoglv@yahoo.com> wrote
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>
>>Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>Actually I believe the progression was that of the sweeteners involved:
>>>Tab-sacharin Diet Coke-aspartame Coke Zero-splenda
>>>
>>
>>Doesn't make sense. They didn't change Coca-Cola's name just because they
>>switched from cane sugar to high fructose corn syrup.
>
>
> But they didn't want to continue with the cane sugar. They
> have continued with the artificial sweeteners, under different
> names.
>
>
>>These are more than just sweetener changes, they're brand extensions or
>>new brands, perhaps for the exact marketing reason cited.
>
>
> I don't buy the marketing reasoning having anything to do with men.
> I do buy that people clamor for their Tab, I was one of them, didn't
> switch to Diet Coke for a long time. Coke Zero, another new
> sweetener, doesn't mean they want to lose their Diet Coke customers.
>
> They even tried to change the formula for regular Coke without changing
> the name, we all know how that turned out. Apparently just changing
> the sweetener for diet cokes would go over like a lead balloon as they
> are far different from each other, more than the difference between
> corn syrup and sugar.
>
> nancy
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>
You can still get coke made with sugar around passover. corn syrup is
not eaten by jews of eastern european descent on passover, and coca-cola
wants their business that week :) If it says ou-p on it, look at the
ingredients :)
--
saerah
"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza
"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams
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| LittleGreyPoodle |
Sheldon wrote:
> LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
>
>>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>Andy Katz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:24:39 -0500, Julia Altshuler
>>>><jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Be that as it may (or may not), shaving dates waaaaay back, whether
>>>>>>you are male or female. I suspect it has a lot to do with cultural
>>>>>>and social mores (and what is "in fashion") at the time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting how no one is certain how the practice got started. We
>>>>>have paintings of men with shaven faces, but it is harder to know
>>>>>about women
>>>>>with shaven armpits and legs. I've found that most people don't care
>>>>>one way or the other about body hair, but the people who do care
>>>>>(usually women) have very strong feelings.
>>>>
>>>>By and large hasn't the esthetics of skin exposed below the neck
>>>>preferred relative hairlessness?
>>>>
>>>>Witness the endless debates on the biking newsgroups over the
>>>>necessity, or lack of it, for men to shave their legs.
>>>>
>>>>Andy Katz
>>>>
>>>
>>>I used to work with a guy who was a 'biker' (no, not the Harley type). He
>>>claimed shaving his body made him able to bike faster. Huh. Like body hair
>>>is going to considerably slow you down... I suppose if you were hairy like a
>>>gorilla this might be a factor. He didn't shave his head... Weird.
>>>
>>
>>Yeah, right... shaving his body made him a lot faster.
>>
>>The real reason bikers shave has to be for when they take a spill. The
>>road rash is supposedly worst if you have hair on your legs or arms.
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>
> Absolute bull****.
>
> Some bikers shave if they are particularly hairy and ride shirtless
> during warm weather, the wind whipping their body hair against their
> skin is quite painful.
>
> The real reason women shave armpits, legs, and bikini area is so they
> don't look like dago apes.
>
> Sheldon Hirsute
>
Oh, I'm so honored. Sheldon deemed one of my posts worthy of responding
to. I'm so humbled by your greatness..... dip****!
I still think you're an ass and need stronger meds. Same crap you've
been pulling for years, but some people find you amusing....
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| Becca |
maxine in ri wrote:
> So women covered their hair (like it says in the bible) and shaved
> the rest of the hair from their bodies, so the demons wouldn't have
> anything to hold onto.
Interesting.
If you go to a nude beach, you will notice, the women have no hair at
all. I guess they are still protecting themselves from demons.
Becca
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| Goomba38 |
Gabby wrote:
> There you go, I would have thought most men felt the same way, but my 21
> year old son shaves his chest & pits regularly - he feels he's too hairy.
> I can't see it, both his dad and older brother are much hairier and darker.
> But his girlfriend seems to like it.
>
> Gabby
>
>
Same with my 20 year old son. It took me back quite a bit..shocked I
was! I love a man with chest hair. <sigh>
Gooomba
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| Gabby |
"Goomba38" <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:9u2dneMJF4_SMxLenZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com...
> Gabby wrote:
>
>
>> There you go, I would have thought most men felt the same way, but my 21
>> year old son shaves his chest & pits regularly - he feels he's too hairy.
>> I can't see it, both his dad and older brother are much hairier and
>> darker. But his girlfriend seems to like it.
>>
>> Gabby
> Same with my 20 year old son. It took me back quite a bit..shocked I was!
> I love a man with chest hair. <sigh>
> Gooomba
Yeah, me too. Although, I must admit I'd take Patrick Swayze, chest hair or
no chest hair.
;o)
Gabby
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| Terry Pulliam Burd |
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:24:39 -0500, Julia Altshuler
<jaltshuler@comcast.net> rummaged among random neurons and opined:
>Interesting how no one is certain how the practice got started. We have
>paintings of men with shaven faces, but it is harder to know about women
>with shaven armpits and legs. I've found that most people don't care
>one way or the other about body hair, but the people who do care
>(usually women) have very strong feelings.
When I related the gist of this thread to the DH (who said, "this is a
*cooking* newsgroup??? and he really should know better, having met
some of the denizens herein) commented that women shaving their
underarms and legs might have had its genesis in the flapper era when
women first started showing their bare arms and legs. As good a guess
as any, I suppose, and a whole lot simpler :-)
Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA
"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."
-- Duncan Hines
To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"
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| pgluth1 |
sarah bennett <anisaerah@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:RdNjf.2972$nA2.2749@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>> "LittleGreyPoodle" <photodoglv@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>>
>>>Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>Actually I believe the progression was that of the sweeteners
>>>>involved: Tab-sacharin Diet Coke-aspartame Coke Zero-splenda
>>>>
>>>
>>>Doesn't make sense. They didn't change Coca-Cola's name just because
>>>they switched from cane sugar to high fructose corn syrup.
>>
>>
>> But they didn't want to continue with the cane sugar. They
>> have continued with the artificial sweeteners, under different
>> names.
>>
>>
> You can still get coke made with sugar around passover. corn syrup is
> not eaten by jews of eastern european descent on passover, and
> coca-cola wants their business that week :) If it says ou-p on it,
> look at the ingredients :)
If memory serves, many overseas bottlers of Coke still use sugar. Up
until a few years ago (may still be true) some Mexican grocery stores
imported Coke for that "down home flavor."
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| Dan Goodman |
pgluth1 wrote:
> > You can still get coke made with sugar around passover. corn syrup
> > is not eaten by jews of eastern european descent on passover, and
> > coca-cola wants their business that week :) If it says ou-p on it,
> > look at the ingredients :)
>
> If memory serves, many overseas bottlers of Coke still use sugar. Up
> until a few years ago (may still be true) some Mexican grocery stores
> imported Coke for that "down home flavor."
Available in Minneapolis at several stalls in Mercado Central.
Tangent: In general supermarkets, the Mexican food section (at least
in the ones I see in Minneapolis) has 1) food imported from Mexico and
2) Taco Bell sauces and other things which I suspect may not taste
authentically Mexican.
And 3) products made in Texas, with part of the label in Spanish. Is
Mexican-style (or Tex-Mex-style) spaghetti really different enough from
American spaghetti to justify the higher price?
--
Dan Goodman
Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsgood/
Clutterers Anonymous unofficial community
http://www.livejournal.com/community/clutterers_anon/
Decluttering http://decluttering.blogspot.com
Predictions and Politics http://dsgood.blogspot.com
All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies.
John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician.
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| Denny Wheeler |
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:02:03 GMT, sarah bennett
<anisaerah@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>Sheldon wrote:
>> The real reason women shave armpits, legs, and bikini area is so they
>> don't look like dago apes.
>>
>> Sheldon Hirsute
>>
>
>So why don't most men shave? :)
Men think women want us to look like dago apes?
(thinking of the stubble look & such)
--
-denny-
"Do your thoughts call ahead or do they just arrive at your mouth unannounced?"
"It's come as you are, baby."
-over the hedge
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| LittleGreyPoodle |
Denny Wheeler wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:02:03 GMT, sarah bennett
> <anisaerah@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Sheldon wrote:
>>
>>>The real reason women shave armpits, legs, and bikini area is so they
>>>don't look like dago apes.
>>>
>>>Sheldon Hirsute
>>>
>>
>>So why don't most men shave? :)
>
>
> Men think women want us to look like dago apes?
> (thinking of the stubble look & such)
>
> --
> -denny-
Denny,
Whatever Sheldon says, take the opposite view. You'll be right 95% of
the time.
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| The Cook |
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:36:49 -0800, Terry Pulliam Burd
<ntpulliam@spaminator.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 11:24:39 -0500, Julia Altshuler
><jaltshuler@comcast.net> rummaged among random neurons and opined:
>
>>Interesting how no one is certain how the practice got started. We have
>>paintings of men with shaven faces, but it is harder to know about women
>>with shaven armpits and legs. I've found that most people don't care
>>one way or the other about body hair, but the people who do care
>>(usually women) have very strong feelings.
>
>When I related the gist of this thread to the DH (who said, "this is a
>*cooking* newsgroup??? and he really should know better, having met
>some of the denizens herein) commented that women shaving their
>underarms and legs might have had its genesis in the flapper era when
>women first started showing their bare arms and legs. As good a guess
>as any, I suppose, and a whole lot simpler :-)
>
That was my thought too. When women wore dresses down to the floor
and long sleeves it did not matter.
--
Susan N.
"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974
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| Nancy Young |
"sarah bennett" <anisaerah@sbcglobal.net> wrote
> You can still get coke made with sugar around passover. corn syrup is not
> eaten by jews of eastern european descent on passover, and coca-cola wants
> their business that week :) If it says ou-p on it, look at the ingredients
> :)
Oddly enough that came up in 'conversation' elsewhere and I'd mentioned
that. I know some people stock up on it that time of the year and I
know I read that here ... I wouldn't know what to look for on the can
to tell the difference. (laugh) I know you just said what, but by passover
I won't remember.
nancy
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| Nancy Young |
"Terry Pulliam Burd" <ntpulliam@spaminator.net> wrote
> When I related the gist of this thread to the DH (who said, "this is a
> *cooking* newsgroup??? and he really should know better, having met
> some of the denizens herein) commented that women shaving their
> underarms and legs might have had its genesis in the flapper era when
> women first started showing their bare arms and legs. As good a guess
> as any, I suppose, and a whole lot simpler :-)
I'd agree with that. It came to me that there is something about a woman
shaving under her arms in the book A Tree Grows in Brooklyn ... when
was that set, the early 1900s? I'll have to reread that book, I read it so
many times but that was years ago. One of my absolute favorite books.
nancy
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Nancy Young wrote:
> "sarah bennett" <anisaerah@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>
>
>>You can still get coke made with sugar around passover. corn syrup is not
>>eaten by jews of eastern european descent on passover, and coca-cola wants
>>their business that week :) If it says ou-p on it, look at the ingredients
>>:)
>
>
> Oddly enough that came up in 'conversation' elsewhere and I'd mentioned
> that. I know some people stock up on it that time of the year and I
> know I read that here ... I wouldn't know what to look for on the can
> to tell the difference. (laugh) I know you just said what, but by passover
> I won't remember.
>
> nancy
>
>
on the cap, there is usually blue ink that says "kosher for passover" or
an "O" with a "U" inside of it, followed by a "-P"
--
saerah
"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza
"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams
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| Sheldon |
Nancy Young wrote:
> "Terry Pulliam Burd" <ntpulliam@spaminator.net> wrote
>
> > When I related the gist of this thread to the DH (who said, "this is a
> > *cooking* newsgroup??? and he really should know better, having met
> > some of the denizens herein) commented that women shaving their
> > underarms and legs might have had its genesis in the flapper era when
> > women first started showing their bare arms and legs. As good a guess
> > as any, I suppose, and a whole lot simpler :-)
>
> I'd agree with that. It came to me that there is something about a woman
> shaving under her arms in the book A Tree Grows in Brooklyn ... when
> was that set, the early 1900s? I'll have to reread that book, I read it so
> many times but that was years ago. One of my absolute favorite books.
Hi Francie! ;)
Women began [openly] shaving with the advent of the safety razor.
Women removed their body hair previously too, for thousands of years,
but was definitely not an overt/common practice. Most men didn't shave
facial hair until the advent of the safety razor also, many trimmed
with scissors/shears but didn't shave. Also hair played an important
dynamic ritualistic role, ever changing over time, and still.
Sheldon
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| Goomba38 |
LittleGreyPoodle wrote:
> Whatever Sheldon says, take the opposite view. You'll be right 95% of
> the time.
again.. you're making a fool of yourself. Stop it.
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| levelwave |
> when was the last time you shaved your legs or under your arms?
>
> saerah
Last I checked, most women didn't find that too appealing...
~john
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levelwave wrote:
>>when was the last time you shaved your legs or under your arms?
>>
>>saerah
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> Last I checked, most women didn't find that too appealing...
>
> ~john
>
how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
--
saerah
"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza
"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams
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| levelwave |
> how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>
> saerah
Shaving enhances what feminine traits you already possess making you
more attractive to the males, not quite unlike growing your hair nice
and long...it draws attention to yourself. Men spend hours at the gym
for the same affect, you think laying under 305lbs of weights on the
benchpress is natural? It's just improving your chances of drawing a
mate by making you more appealing to the opposite sex...
~john
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levelwave wrote:
>>how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>>
>>saerah
>
>
>
> Shaving enhances what feminine traits you already possess making you
> more attractive to the males, not quite unlike growing your hair nice
> and long...it draws attention to yourself. Men spend hours at the gym
> for the same affect, you think laying under 305lbs of weights on the
> benchpress is natural? It's just improving your chances of drawing a
> mate by making you more appealing to the opposite sex...
>
> ~john
>
what is so unfeminine about body hair? I still don't get it.
--
saerah
"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza
"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams
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| Goomba38 |
sarah bennett wrote:
> what is so unfeminine about body hair? I still don't get it.
>
some really ugly women say the same thing about make up too? I dunno. I
can see both sides of the issue and yet I still prefer to shave and feel
the smoothness. A good shave here and there can certainly make some
things more...accessable too :)
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| sarah bennett |
Goomba38 wrote:
> sarah bennett wrote:
>
>
>> what is so unfeminine about body hair? I still don't get it.
>>
>
> some really ugly women say the same thing about make up too? I dunno. I
> can see both sides of the issue and yet I still prefer to shave and feel
> the smoothness. A good shave here and there can certainly make some
> things more...accessable too :)
yeah, but itchy later. :(
--
saerah
"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza
"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams
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| Boron Elgar |
On 2 Dec 2005 07:28:36 -0800, "levelwave" <SonVoltMMA@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> how is retaining one's naturally occuring hair "disgususting"?
>>
>> saerah
>
>
>Shaving enhances what feminine traits you already possess making you
>more attractive to the males, not quite unlike growing your hair nice
>and long...it draws attention to yourself. Men spend hours at the gym
>for the same affect, you think laying under 305lbs of weights on the
>benchpress is natural? It's just improving your chances of drawing a
>mate by making you more appealing to the opposite sex...
>
>~john
If the women who removed the hair on their legs & pits were the same
percentage of the population as were men who benchpressed 300+ lbs
with any regularity, Nair, Bic, Gillette, a ton of salons and whoever
makes Brazilian Wax would be out of business in a milisecond.
Boron
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